large % of US not smart enough for military
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Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Native Americans find your position quite ironic.
Make America hate again!
White Europeans arrived in North America 30,000 years before the first Siberio Indian ever crossed the Bering Straits...They were Kennewick Man.
There is nothing hateful about a people such as white gentiles wanting to have lands of their own.
No one says that about Africans, Asians, Indians, ect...only about White Gentiles...
nothing hypocritical about that is there?
umm...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man
It is one of the most complete ancient skeletons ever found. Radiocarbon tests on bone have shown it to date from 8.9k to 9k calibrated years before present.[2][3]
The controversy concerning the ownership of the bones of Kennewick Man also became involved in racial politics, as White supremacist and White nationalist groups claimed Kennewick Man was of European origin and thus "white" and unrelated to Native Americans.[15]
Again, the Native Americans find your ideas to be quite ironic, oh and completely wrong.
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Native Americans find your position quite ironic.
Make America hate again!
White Europeans arrived in North America 30,000 years before the first Siberio Indian ever crossed the Bering Straits...They were Kennewick Man.
There is nothing hateful about a people such as white gentiles wanting to have lands of their own.
No one says that about Africans, Asians, Indians, ect...only about White Gentiles...
nothing hypocritical about that is there?
umm...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man
It is one of the most complete ancient skeletons ever found. Radiocarbon tests on bone have shown it to date from 8.9k to 9k calibrated years before present.[2][3]
The controversy concerning the ownership of the bones of Kennewick Man also became involved in racial politics, as White supremacist and White nationalist groups claimed Kennewick Man was of European origin and thus "white" and unrelated to Native Americans.[15]
Again, the Native Americans find your ideas to be quite ironic, oh and completely wrong.
High school diploma = necessary intelligence to enlist in military
Of course your ASVAB score and physical / background check will determine your MOS / Rating / AFSC.
Mine was 4A2X1 and almost 1 year of tech school.
Of course your ASVAB score and physical / background check will determine your MOS / Rating / AFSC.
Mine was 4A2X1 and almost 1 year of tech school.
Originally Posted By: skyactiv
The Army allows the lowest AFQT score (31), not the Marines (50).
I dated a chick that was in the USAF. She scored very high which allowed her a shorter enlistment. She did very well in marksmanship and was in a gun turret on a Humvee.
Very smart woman.
I got news for you, Marines are big,tough and they are bad. But I say they are not smart to take the toughest route possible. Check it online, they take the lowest scores. They looking for mean not smart.
The Army allows the lowest AFQT score (31), not the Marines (50).
I dated a chick that was in the USAF. She scored very high which allowed her a shorter enlistment. She did very well in marksmanship and was in a gun turret on a Humvee.
Very smart woman.
I got news for you, Marines are big,tough and they are bad. But I say they are not smart to take the toughest route possible. Check it online, they take the lowest scores. They looking for mean not smart.
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Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
The typical black has an average IQ of about 80....they are an increasing part of the population at least in the US, that will DECREASE the average IQ of the entire pop of the US.
Have YOU ever taken an IQ test?
Are you familiar with Neil Degrasse Tyson? How about George Walker? Marcus Samuelsson? The colour of your skin doesn't dictate your intelligence. While the issue of black-on-black crime, ghettos and ghetto "lifestyle" are indeed a problem (IMHO) in the USA, they are not in the rest of the world.
You might as well be condemning the cerebral capacity/intellectual fortitude of "inbred hillbillies" (rednecks), because the stereotype can be applied there as well if we are painting people and their walks of life with a big, broad, brush
The typical black has an average IQ of about 80....they are an increasing part of the population at least in the US, that will DECREASE the average IQ of the entire pop of the US.
Have YOU ever taken an IQ test?
Are you familiar with Neil Degrasse Tyson? How about George Walker? Marcus Samuelsson? The colour of your skin doesn't dictate your intelligence. While the issue of black-on-black crime, ghettos and ghetto "lifestyle" are indeed a problem (IMHO) in the USA, they are not in the rest of the world.
You might as well be condemning the cerebral capacity/intellectual fortitude of "inbred hillbillies" (rednecks), because the stereotype can be applied there as well if we are painting people and their walks of life with a big, broad, brush
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Originally Posted By: skyactiv
The Army allows the lowest AFQT score (31), not the Marines (50).
I dated a chick that was in the USAF. She scored very high which allowed her a shorter enlistment. She did very well in marksmanship and was in a gun turret on a Humvee.
Very smart woman.
I got news for you, Marines are big,tough and they are bad. But I say they are not smart to take the toughest route possible. Check it online, they take the lowest scores. They looking for mean not smart.
4 years is the shortest enlistment for Air Force, she is wrong about having a shorter enlistment due to high ASVAB score.
Originally Posted By: skyactiv
The Army allows the lowest AFQT score (31), not the Marines (50).
I dated a chick that was in the USAF. She scored very high which allowed her a shorter enlistment. She did very well in marksmanship and was in a gun turret on a Humvee.
Very smart woman.
I got news for you, Marines are big,tough and they are bad. But I say they are not smart to take the toughest route possible. Check it online, they take the lowest scores. They looking for mean not smart.
4 years is the shortest enlistment for Air Force, she is wrong about having a shorter enlistment due to high ASVAB score.
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Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
You apologists always make this talking point,
And you clowns never answer the questions posed to you and rather continue to try and deflect and divert. You never provide any sources for your claims either. This is typical of racist, bigoted, vitriol-spewing clowns that have to tear down other people to feel good about themselves. Pretty bloody sad.
So, did YOU ever take an IQ test? I'm asking this for the 2nd time now.
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
the fact is that genetics directly contribute to the propensity of a certain racial group having specific tendencies or traits. The black race has a propensity for high rates of impulsivity, which in turn gives tendency towards quick tempers...add that to their propensity for lower IQ along with the higher impulsivity leads towards higher rates of violent /explosive behavior.
Source? My father is an Anthropologist BTW, with a PhD, just so you are aware and don't start giving me links to white power sites as "proof".
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
As we all know there are always going to be exceptions to the rule, but that doesn't change the rule, the facts clearly show that the black race has the lowest IQ overall of any race...they also have the highest rate of genetic tendency towards impulsivity....
Again, source? I don't see African Americans strapping bombs to themselves and blowing people up en-masse.
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Is a scientific fact, that black females have a much higher level of male testosterone in their bodies,(as much as white, and asian males) which is one reason why black females have such great physical strength and also tend to be much more violent than females of any other race.
Again, source?
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Welcome to reality.
More like welcome to the reason people still believe racism is alive and well. You've just proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it most certainly does. Not only that, but you are bloody proud of it!
You apologists always make this talking point,
And you clowns never answer the questions posed to you and rather continue to try and deflect and divert. You never provide any sources for your claims either. This is typical of racist, bigoted, vitriol-spewing clowns that have to tear down other people to feel good about themselves. Pretty bloody sad.
So, did YOU ever take an IQ test? I'm asking this for the 2nd time now.
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
the fact is that genetics directly contribute to the propensity of a certain racial group having specific tendencies or traits. The black race has a propensity for high rates of impulsivity, which in turn gives tendency towards quick tempers...add that to their propensity for lower IQ along with the higher impulsivity leads towards higher rates of violent /explosive behavior.
Source? My father is an Anthropologist BTW, with a PhD, just so you are aware and don't start giving me links to white power sites as "proof".
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
As we all know there are always going to be exceptions to the rule, but that doesn't change the rule, the facts clearly show that the black race has the lowest IQ overall of any race...they also have the highest rate of genetic tendency towards impulsivity....
Again, source? I don't see African Americans strapping bombs to themselves and blowing people up en-masse.
Quote:
Is a scientific fact, that black females have a much higher level of male testosterone in their bodies,(as much as white, and asian males) which is one reason why black females have such great physical strength and also tend to be much more violent than females of any other race.
Again, source?
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Welcome to reality.
More like welcome to the reason people still believe racism is alive and well. You've just proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it most certainly does. Not only that, but you are bloody proud of it!
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
I got news for you, Marines are big,tough and they are bad. But I say they are not smart to take the toughest route possible. Check it online, they take the lowest scores. They looking for mean not smart.
I got news for you the Marines and Army have equal AFQT scores with a 31, 35 for the Navy and 36 for the Air Force.
I got news for you, Marines are big,tough and they are bad. But I say they are not smart to take the toughest route possible. Check it online, they take the lowest scores. They looking for mean not smart.
I got news for you the Marines and Army have equal AFQT scores with a 31, 35 for the Navy and 36 for the Air Force.
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
That's why the United States is sometimes referred to as "The Great Experiment."
Except the Founding Fathers of the nation certainly didn't intend it to be...
The Preamble of the US Constitution clearly spells out whom was to be considered the actual inheritors of the nation....It mentions "our Posterity" and that is only White Gentile Anglo Europeans. No one else.
Another tribe that arrived here much later was the one to promote the false concept of a "melting pot", nowhere do the Founding Fathers ever mention that kind of multikultural or DIEverse type of society anywhere in their views or notes.
And, of course, the founding fathers were gods on earth. They were humans, just like us. Everything changes with time. This country became what it is. All empires rise, peak, fall, and fail. I'm not sure where we are on that curve right now.
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
That's why the United States is sometimes referred to as "The Great Experiment."
Except the Founding Fathers of the nation certainly didn't intend it to be...
The Preamble of the US Constitution clearly spells out whom was to be considered the actual inheritors of the nation....It mentions "our Posterity" and that is only White Gentile Anglo Europeans. No one else.
Another tribe that arrived here much later was the one to promote the false concept of a "melting pot", nowhere do the Founding Fathers ever mention that kind of multikultural or DIEverse type of society anywhere in their views or notes.
And, of course, the founding fathers were gods on earth. They were humans, just like us. Everything changes with time. This country became what it is. All empires rise, peak, fall, and fail. I'm not sure where we are on that curve right now.
Unfortunately, just because someone has a higher IQ than other people, doesn't mean they are not a complete idiot.
Or a moron.
Or a Bigot.
Or a racist.
Or a troll.
It just means that they are better at taking a certain kind of test than other people.
And then they wear that number like some kind of badge, as if it makes them a better person, somehow.
The world will be a much better place when people like this die.
Hopefully without reproducing, and spreading the filth that pollutes their mind and thoughts to yet another very impressionable generation of children.
BC.
Or a moron.
Or a Bigot.
Or a racist.
Or a troll.
It just means that they are better at taking a certain kind of test than other people.
And then they wear that number like some kind of badge, as if it makes them a better person, somehow.
The world will be a much better place when people like this die.
Hopefully without reproducing, and spreading the filth that pollutes their mind and thoughts to yet another very impressionable generation of children.
BC.
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
GiveMeAVowel said:
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
GiveMeAVowel said:
Originally Posted By: Bladecutter
Unfortunately, just because someone has a higher IQ than other people, doesn't mean they are not a complete idiot.
Or a moron.
Or a Bigot.
Or a racist.
Or a troll.
It just means that they are better at taking a certain kind of test than other people.
And then they wear that number like some kind of badge, as if it makes them a better person, somehow.
The world will be a much better place when people like this die.
Hopefully without reproducing, and spreading the filth that pollutes their mind and thoughts to yet another very impressionable generation of children.
BC.
This. ^^^
An IQ test can be culturally biased. While pattern association, etc. can be somewhat universal in the Western world, some other measurements can be unanswerable in different cultures. For example, give an American an IQ test designed for a British and I guarantee that they will get at least a couple of the questions wrong -- things related to distance, volume or weight measurements.
Unfortunately, just because someone has a higher IQ than other people, doesn't mean they are not a complete idiot.
Or a moron.
Or a Bigot.
Or a racist.
Or a troll.
It just means that they are better at taking a certain kind of test than other people.
And then they wear that number like some kind of badge, as if it makes them a better person, somehow.
The world will be a much better place when people like this die.
Hopefully without reproducing, and spreading the filth that pollutes their mind and thoughts to yet another very impressionable generation of children.
BC.
This. ^^^
An IQ test can be culturally biased. While pattern association, etc. can be somewhat universal in the Western world, some other measurements can be unanswerable in different cultures. For example, give an American an IQ test designed for a British and I guarantee that they will get at least a couple of the questions wrong -- things related to distance, volume or weight measurements.
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Dave is correct.
From the military.com site:
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ASVAB test scores are broken down by the individual sub-tests and composites of the sub-tests. One of the most critical of these scores is the Armed Forces Qualification Test, which is used to determine if you are qualified to join the military service. Each service determines the qualification AFQT score for enlisting in their service.
The AFQT is comprised of your test results in Arithmetic Reasoning (AR), Math Knowledge (MK), and Verbal Composite (VE) x 2. Your Verbal Composite score is a combination of your Word Knowledge and Paragraph Comprehension scores. Check out the following AFQT qualifying scores for each branch of service.
Service Branch - Required AFQT Score*
Army - 31
Navy - 35
Marines - 31
Air Force - 36
Coast Guard - 45
From the military.com site:
Quote:
ASVAB test scores are broken down by the individual sub-tests and composites of the sub-tests. One of the most critical of these scores is the Armed Forces Qualification Test, which is used to determine if you are qualified to join the military service. Each service determines the qualification AFQT score for enlisting in their service.
The AFQT is comprised of your test results in Arithmetic Reasoning (AR), Math Knowledge (MK), and Verbal Composite (VE) x 2. Your Verbal Composite score is a combination of your Word Knowledge and Paragraph Comprehension scores. Check out the following AFQT qualifying scores for each branch of service.
Service Branch - Required AFQT Score*
Army - 31
Navy - 35
Marines - 31
Air Force - 36
Coast Guard - 45
If you can read and do math at a 9th grade level, pass a basic physical and background...
You are qualified to join the American military.
You are qualified to join the American military.
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Originally Posted By: Bladecutter
Unfortunately, just because someone has a higher IQ than other people, doesn't mean they are not a complete idiot.
Or a moron.
Or a Bigot.
Or a racist.
Or a troll.
It just means that they are better at taking a certain kind of test than other people.
And then they wear that number like some kind of badge, as if it makes them a better person, somehow.
The world will be a much better place when people like this die.
Hopefully without reproducing, and spreading the filth that pollutes their mind and thoughts to yet another very impressionable generation of children.
BC.
It is a standardized test, just like any other, that gives a general idea of aptitude, which can be useful (for the educator) in certain academic settings. It should not, in any way, shape, or form, be used in the manner in which he is trying to use it, which is as some sort of barometer for humanity and using the numbers as a way to condemn/judge an entire race of people. And of course he still hasn't backed up these ridiculous claims anyways, and can't, not without espousing some garbage from a site with laughable repute.
I agree on the reproducing point though. There's no place in modern society for the perpetuation of this primitive mindset; of this fear used as a justification to demonize others that are simply different. We are all different, regardless of the colour of our skin and all have our strengths and weaknesses.
Unfortunately, just because someone has a higher IQ than other people, doesn't mean they are not a complete idiot.
Or a moron.
Or a Bigot.
Or a racist.
Or a troll.
It just means that they are better at taking a certain kind of test than other people.
And then they wear that number like some kind of badge, as if it makes them a better person, somehow.
The world will be a much better place when people like this die.
Hopefully without reproducing, and spreading the filth that pollutes their mind and thoughts to yet another very impressionable generation of children.
BC.
It is a standardized test, just like any other, that gives a general idea of aptitude, which can be useful (for the educator) in certain academic settings. It should not, in any way, shape, or form, be used in the manner in which he is trying to use it, which is as some sort of barometer for humanity and using the numbers as a way to condemn/judge an entire race of people. And of course he still hasn't backed up these ridiculous claims anyways, and can't, not without espousing some garbage from a site with laughable repute.
I agree on the reproducing point though. There's no place in modern society for the perpetuation of this primitive mindset; of this fear used as a justification to demonize others that are simply different. We are all different, regardless of the colour of our skin and all have our strengths and weaknesses.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Bladecutter
Unfortunately, just because someone has a higher IQ than other people, doesn't mean they are not a complete idiot.
Or a moron.
Or a Bigot.
Or a racist.
Or a troll.
It just means that they are better at taking a certain kind of test than other people.
And then they wear that number like some kind of badge, as if it makes them a better person, somehow.
The world will be a much better place when people like this die.
Hopefully without reproducing, and spreading the filth that pollutes their mind and thoughts to yet another very impressionable generation of children.
BC.
It is a standardized test, just like any other, that gives a general idea of aptitude, which can be useful (for the educator) in certain academic settings. It should not, in any way, shape, or form, be used in the manner in which he is trying to use it, which is as some sort of barometer for humanity and using the numbers as a way to condemn/judge an entire race of people. And of course he still hasn't backed up these ridiculous claims anyways, and can't, not without espousing some garbage from a site with laughable repute.
I agree on the reproducing point though. There's no place in modern society for the perpetuation of this primitive mindset; of this fear used as a justification to demonize others that are simply different. We are all different, regardless of the colour of our skin and all have our strengths and weaknesses.
Indeed. If the U.S. decided to use antiqueshell's criteria only Jews and East Asians would be allowed since the IQ tests he is referencing. Jews and East Asians score about 10% higher versus "white" Americans.
Originally Posted By: Bladecutter
Unfortunately, just because someone has a higher IQ than other people, doesn't mean they are not a complete idiot.
Or a moron.
Or a Bigot.
Or a racist.
Or a troll.
It just means that they are better at taking a certain kind of test than other people.
And then they wear that number like some kind of badge, as if it makes them a better person, somehow.
The world will be a much better place when people like this die.
Hopefully without reproducing, and spreading the filth that pollutes their mind and thoughts to yet another very impressionable generation of children.
BC.
It is a standardized test, just like any other, that gives a general idea of aptitude, which can be useful (for the educator) in certain academic settings. It should not, in any way, shape, or form, be used in the manner in which he is trying to use it, which is as some sort of barometer for humanity and using the numbers as a way to condemn/judge an entire race of people. And of course he still hasn't backed up these ridiculous claims anyways, and can't, not without espousing some garbage from a site with laughable repute.
I agree on the reproducing point though. There's no place in modern society for the perpetuation of this primitive mindset; of this fear used as a justification to demonize others that are simply different. We are all different, regardless of the colour of our skin and all have our strengths and weaknesses.
Indeed. If the U.S. decided to use antiqueshell's criteria only Jews and East Asians would be allowed since the IQ tests he is referencing. Jews and East Asians score about 10% higher versus "white" Americans.
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
The Preamble of the US Constitution clearly spells out whom was to be considered the actual inheritors of the nation....It mentions "our Posterity" and that is only White Gentile Anglo Europeans. No one else.
No. Racist.
The Preamble of the US Constitution clearly spells out whom was to be considered the actual inheritors of the nation....It mentions "our Posterity" and that is only White Gentile Anglo Europeans. No one else.
No. Racist.
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
If you can read and do math at a 9th grade level, pass a basic physical and background...
You are qualified to join the American military.
Assuming that you're correct...
What does the fact that 75% of our high school graduates can't meet that standard say about the current state of our society?
If you can read and do math at a 9th grade level, pass a basic physical and background...
You are qualified to join the American military.
Assuming that you're correct...
What does the fact that 75% of our high school graduates can't meet that standard say about the current state of our society?
Where is this 75% coming from? I'm missing something.
First off, from what I can tell, the score for this test is supposed to be roughly normalized. A score of 30 means you are in the 30th percentile--70% of the population is "smarter" than you. So right off the bad we should expect 30-40% of the population should be failing this test (depending upon what branch you are trying for) (assuming wikipedia is correct).
But that's not what this says:
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The most specific was was a 2010 study by The Education Trust, an entity focused on improving educational achievement. Researchers looked at nearly 350,000 high school graduates between the ages of 17 and 20 who applied for entry to the Army between 2004 and 2009. That means the sample included recent high school graduates who had already been screened out for other disqualifying factors. The study found that about 23 percent failed to achieve the qualifying score.
This link appears to reference the same study, which is found here .
So what am I missing?
First off, from what I can tell, the score for this test is supposed to be roughly normalized. A score of 30 means you are in the 30th percentile--70% of the population is "smarter" than you. So right off the bad we should expect 30-40% of the population should be failing this test (depending upon what branch you are trying for) (assuming wikipedia is correct).
But that's not what this says:
Quote:
The most specific was was a 2010 study by The Education Trust, an entity focused on improving educational achievement. Researchers looked at nearly 350,000 high school graduates between the ages of 17 and 20 who applied for entry to the Army between 2004 and 2009. That means the sample included recent high school graduates who had already been screened out for other disqualifying factors. The study found that about 23 percent failed to achieve the qualifying score.
This link appears to reference the same study, which is found here .
So what am I missing?
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