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Originally Posted By: Frank
Why can't you ship mmo by air? by the way a solvent plant blew up
in Jacksonville yesterday. As always some nice people lost there lives.

Auto-Rx will never coat metal to dampen noises or pretend benefits (benefits that go away after 500 miles) we will never use solvents.

Using oil to clean transmission parts is going to turn out to be a costly choice.


I disagree. I have been using it for yrars with NO prob. I had over 200K on my 1979 Trans AM with the turbo 400 tranny. Ran Val ATF with 1/2 qt MMO since new. Changed the filter and fluid every 20k. Never any prob and I used the car on the strip too.
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest
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Changed the filter and fluid every 20k.

I would credit that more than MMO.


I'm not saying that MMO was the specific reason it went 200K and beyond. Earlier a statment was made that using an oil (MMO) to clean a tranny would be a costly mistake. I said that I disagreed because, again, I have been using it for years without it causing any adverse affects.
 
It appears that MMO is nothing more than a carrier oil, some solvents, and chlorinated hydrocarbons.

That last component is an EP agent that has the potential to create hydrochloric acids.
 
I've never used MMO in the tranny or crankcase, only in the fuel... Whether it is beneficial or not, that's the question. What I do notice on a consistent basis from MMO users, is that there's no harm in its use. It's pretty economical stuff, and if you are having a problem that could possibly be addressed by adding MMO into the engine or tranny, than why not give it a try.?
 
here's a couple voa's I saved:

"As for the elements that were found in the sample there were 32 ppm of Boron, 2 ppm of silicon, 1 ppm cacium, 902 ppm phosphorus, and 2 ppm zinc.

The SUS viscosity at 210F was 34.4. The flashpoint was 190F."



and another one:

"I have an analysis done back in 1989. That analysis showed 790 ppm of phosphorous. This would be a relatively good check, not knowing the different methods used.
By this analysis:
It is a light napthenic oil ( about 3 wt).
About 20% solvent-probably mineral spirits
Dye
790 ppm phosphorous
Wintergreen for smell

The solvent would tend to provide some cleaning ability, at low temperatures.

The low viscosity would tend to act as a detergent.

The phosphorous probably provides an EP (extreme pressure) ability, or would tend to prevent scoring or seizure. This agent is already in most motor oils."
 
Originally Posted By: wileyE
here's a couple voa's I saved:


and another one:

"I have an analysis done back in 1989. That analysis showed 790 ppm of phosphorous. This would be a relatively good check, not knowing the different methods used.
By this analysis:
It is a light napthenic oil ( about 3 wt).
About 20% solvent-probably mineral spirits
Dye
790 ppm phosphorous
Wintergreen for smell

The solvent would tend to provide some cleaning ability, at low temperatures.

The low viscosity would tend to act as a detergent.

The phosphorous probably provides an EP (extreme pressure) ability, or would tend to prevent scoring or seizure. This agent is already in most motor oils."


Is this MMO?

What would the phosphorous do in the gas tank?
 
yes, the voa's were mmo. Personally seen it provide top end lubrication in dry fueled engines (propane, natural gas), when used with a metered vacuum oiler. Also in the fuel of older "vintage" gas engines not equipped with hardened valves and seats. Would something else have worked just as good? most likely, but it's cheap, available and smells good-LOL.

Use it in oil? not unless your still running api-sa oil and your trying to use it as a problem solver. Any modern oil (or atf) would be "weakened" in additive and viscosity with MMO in it, IMHO.
 
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Wynn's Friction Proof (or something like that) was supposed to be a 'upper cylinder lube'; a few other products claimed to lubricate the upper cylinders/valves.
 
I have to say this much no one on this site has ever put forward a UOA with MMO in the sump. I too would love to see it. I have used MMO off and on for year's for various thing's and never have Ihad any failure in anything I have used MMO in. Does that mean I think it is better then ARX no!!! I just do not think it is the evil step child that most onthis site make it out to be. I say if it is so evil put forward some before and after UOA to prove your point...Evidence speak's!!!! We already know how well ARX work's in most case's and have plenty of photo's of it and UOA etc..... I do not have anything that needs a solvent flush let along a long OCI with a quart of MMO in it.... I have already done a solvent flush on my Camry at 50,000 mile with a pint of SeaFoam for 15 minutes... The wifes Car had MMO init for a week about 1 year ago just to see what it would do. Her car still runs like a top. I have never done a UOA on here car just mine.

I know that MMO whenused at the first sign of a lifter tick is well known to get rid of it! On a new engine that has been rebuilt if a valve sticks often you can spray MMO from a spray bottle into the intake tract or downt he carb with it lideling at about 1500RPM's and it will free that sticking valve in most case's with out the need to take the head off and hone the guide.

So who has a vechile with plenty of UOA and is willing to try MMO for one OCI and do a UOA??? Any one brave enough to do it? If the wifes car had any UOA on it I would do it but with out any past UOA the MMO UOA would not tell us much?
 
Sounds like a good idea but this is what the predicted outcome would be.

If the uoa showed increase in wear metals the non mmo believers would point to more wear. The mmo faithful would claim it was due to cleaning up all the junk left behind.

We've seen this here before, it's kind of the bitog vicious circle.
Debates about additive and viscosity, syn vs. mineral , green oil vs amber oil, eventually lead to "only a uoa will show the truth" consensus.

Then when a uoa's are shown, the believers in the popular oil or brand excuse the results as cleaning, lab problems etc., while others who don't like that brand are quick to cite any anomaly in the results.
 
Well, the trick, wileyE is, as John Browning said, someone with a string of UOA that could be compared. Preferably Dyson analysis so that you could read the oxi/nitr/etc.


I don't think that it's "evil" in oil. I mean, if you look at some of the things that are cleaned up by something like Auto-Rx, ..now that's evil. It's just that I like my oil the way it is.

I've chosen other agents as my fuel system cleaners of choice ...but I surely see no reason to object to its use in fuel. I've surely proved that it doesn't harm anything in terms of deposits or hurting a cat, even in massive doses ...and I only had good side effects from its use. That's the reason I dumped a bunch of it in my tank ..so that the "you'll shoot your eye out kid" rantings could, more or less, be put to rest.
 
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
It appears that MMO is nothing more than a carrier oil, some solvents, and chlorinated hydrocarbons.

That last component is an EP agent that has the potential to create hydrochloric acids.



The MSDS lists the percentage of chlorinated HC as 0-1%, which tells me this a trace element in the mixture.
 
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
I have to say this much no one on this site has ever put forward a UOA with MMO in the sump. I too would love to see it. I have used MMO off and on for year's for various thing's and never have Ihad any failure in anything I have used MMO in. Does that mean I think it is better then ARX no!!! I just do not think it is the evil step child that most onthis site make it out to be. I say if it is so evil put forward some before and after UOA to prove your point...Evidence speak's!!!! We already know how well ARX work's in most case's and have plenty of photo's of it and UOA etc..... I do not have anything that needs a solvent flush let along a long OCI with a quart of MMO in it.... I have already done a solvent flush on my Camry at 50,000 mile with a pint of SeaFoam for 15 minutes... The wifes Car had MMO init for a week about 1 year ago just to see what it would do. Her car still runs like a top. I have never done a UOA on here car just mine.

I know that MMO whenused at the first sign of a lifter tick is well known to get rid of it! On a new engine that has been rebuilt if a valve sticks often you can spray MMO from a spray bottle into the intake tract or downt he carb with it lideling at about 1500RPM's and it will free that sticking valve in most case's with out the need to take the head off and hone the guide.

So who has a vechile with plenty of UOA and is willing to try MMO for one OCI and do a UOA??? Any one brave enough to do it? If the wifes car had any UOA on it I would do it but with out any past UOA the MMO UOA would not tell us much?


I have a mix for MMO and Val dino in the wife's 91 Civic with 2K on the OCI and 102K on the clock now. I will post the UOA when it hits 4K
 
Originally Posted By: tackleberry625
If another product came out that claimed to do the same thing as ARX I am sure you would want to compare the two for yourself and see which one works better for your application.

So, have you tried ARX? Honestly, regardless the benefits you have experienced from MMO, I'd doubt that it has helped your rings get or stay clean just by being in the oil. I have personally experienced significant improvement in compression and performance from using ARX due to ring pack cleaning.
I dare you - try ARX. (good natured challenge, not a personal attack of any kind.)
 
Originally Posted By: Michael Polutta
Originally Posted By: tackleberry625
If another product came out that claimed to do the same thing as ARX I am sure you would want to compare the two for yourself and see which one works better for your application.

So, have you tried ARX? Honestly, regardless the benefits you have experienced from MMO, I'd doubt that it has helped your rings get or stay clean just by being in the oil. I have personally experienced significant improvement in compression and performance from using ARX due to ring pack cleaning.
I dare you - try ARX. (good natured challenge, not a personal attack of any kind.)


I have never tried ARX because I have never felt the need to have to try it. Like MMO, ARX is designed to keep an engine clean when using the maintenance dose and if an engine is dirty, ARX is designed to clean it, like MMO. Again, I am not saying that MMO and ARX is the same thing. I have a 02 Tundra with the 3.4 V6. It has been fed synthetic oil since 2,880 miles and the oil have been changed every 4-6K. IMO, and again this is my opinion, I do not feel that ARX would benefit me. I could be wrong and who knows, I may try ARX next OCI. I only have about 2K on this OCI (Val synpower) and it will take me about 1 year to go approximately 5K or so because the truck is not used much. The truck has 72K on it and I have used MMO is the fuel just about every tank of gas since new so I know the valves and injectors are squeaky clean. I'll tell you what.....I'll take the friendly challenge and try ARX during my next OCI in my truck to see if I notice anything. The inside of my engine is as clean as a whistle right now so I doubt it will do anything because I have been anal about the maintenance on my truck but we will see. Or I’ll try ARX in the wife’s civic (1991 with 102K) since it is driven everyday to see if I notice anything. I’m going to Jax FL where I’m from for x-mas so maybe I’ll stop by Frank’s house and pick some up while I’m up there, lol Merry Christmas everyone.
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Originally Posted By: wileyE
yes, the voa's were mmo. Personally seen it provide top end lubrication in dry fueled engines (propane, natural gas),.......



Phosphorus in the fuel, isn't that bad???

The GM myth thread about ZDDP says:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/gm-debunks-zddp-myths-for-flat-tappet-cams.81269/

"However, phosphorus is a poison for exhaust catalysts. So, ZDP levels have been reduced over the last 10-15 years. It's now down to a maximum of 0.08% for Starburst oils. This was supported by the introduction of modern ashless antioxidants that contain no phosphorus."

With the MMO showing 790ppm of phosphorus, why would someone run it in a car with a catalytic converter?
 
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