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[badtlc]

Originally Posted By: tackleberry625

If ARX dissolves deposits then it does have solvent ability. MMO is safe to leave in an engine during an entire OCI. I have been using it for over 13 years now and I have been using it in my mother’s 1993 Nissan Pathfinder, which she still has, since new. It has 142K on it now, uses no oil what so ever, does not smoke or ping and the inside of the engine is as clean as it was the day she bought it new. I also have been using it in the fuel of her truck from time to time too. That truck purrs.


This quote sounds a lot like my great great uncle. He lived to be 99 years old and never had any health problems. Everyone always asked him if he had any secrets.

He said he had one secret. He said there was one thing he did 5 times a day every day for over 70 years of his life and swore it was why he was so healthy. Any ideas what it was?

His secret was.........He smoked a cigarette or cigar at least 5 times a day. Even when studies came out showing smoking causes lung cancer he always replied, "i've been smoking 70+ years and I'm doing great."

Just because something isn't causing you any harm doesn't necessarily mean it is doing any good.

 

[tackleberry625]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
Quote:
IMO, if someone does strictly bumper to bumper, heavy traffic driving day in and day out, MMO will help the engine IMO.

Why? We are not seeing this "break down" as you say in UOA's on this forum. The biggest problem with short trip, stop and go driving is fuel dilution...which is an aromatic. Why would adding more aromatics to the oil be beneficial?



As I said in other posts, oil CAN break down, thus turning to varnish and then sludge if left inside an engine too long. Look at all of those Toyota engines and others that had the sludge problems. They were using the "great oils of today." My mother has one of those Toyotas too and as of today's date and after 96K miles, the inside of the engine still looks as clean inside as it did the day it was put together. She even has a notice from Toyota advising her of the problem with her vehicle. So, IMO her engine would have been sludged too had I not been using the MMO in it. Why do you think vehicle manufactures have severe service recommendations and normal? Because the severe service will break down an oil a lot faster than normal highway driving.

Also, as you say the “only problem” with stop and go driving (UOAs) is the fuel problems; well how do I put this, [censored]. I have built hundreds of engines in the past that were subjected to proper maintenance, using the better oils of today. I have seen engines that have 300K on them that were strictly traveling cars and the engines looked as if they had ¼ of the miles on them as the odometer said. In turn, I have seen engines that had 80K or so on them that were basically worn out because of the extreme heat and hours of idle time. I guarantee you, if you took 2 identical vehicles, use the same oil and filter combo, planned to do a 5K OCI and one vehicle drove from Miami to Maine and back, not sitting in any traffic and then you took the other vehicle and put in downtown NY, LA or Miami, where the car idled more than it was actually driven, the UOA for the vehicle that was driven on the highway would look better than the one subjected to the heavy traffic and high heat tropical conditions. For example, police departments, well at least mine, the car's engine has an hour meter on it and the oil changes go by either mileage or amount of hours (run time) which ever comes first. One engine will have 5K on it with a total hourly run time of 500 hours and the other one will have the same 5K on it but a total run time of 3000 hours.

The UOAs on this forum are posted by people using vehicles in all different driving and weather conditions. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have never seen a UOA posted here with the 2 identical vehicles under the same conditions I stated earlier. How many UOAs have you seen posted here and the people in downtown NY, LA, Detroit, Miami and heavy congested areas to compare the TBN, fuel and wear metals? The UOA in a hole will look worse then someone that lives in the county. With all of that said, IMO and through years of tearing apart engines and seeing first hand the damages that can be caused by heat; if an engine is going to be subjected to extreme heat and idle time, something needs to be added to help keep the varnish and deposits under control.

 

[Tempest]

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IMO her engine would have been sludged too had I not been using the MMO in it.

Pure supposition.
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if an engine is going to be subjected to extreme heat and idle time, something needs to be added to help keep the varnish and deposits under control.

Then why do the oil manufactures go to great lengths to get rid of the materials that you are adding back in? Do the lubrication engineers not know something that you do? Materials that oxidize CAUSE the problems that you are describing. The chemicals in MMO will oxidize quicker than the oil it is being added to.

I think MMO might be a good idea for a quick flush (before it has time to oxidize), but keeping it in a crankcase for extended periods of time will do no good.

The rest of your post is well known and has nothing to do with MMO.

 

[tackleberry625]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
Quote:
IMO her engine would have been sludged too had I not been using the MMO in it.

Pure supposition.
Quote:
if an engine is going to be subjected to extreme heat and idle time, something needs to be added to help keep the varnish and deposits under control.

Then why do the oil manufactures go to great lengths to get rid of the materials that you are adding back in? Do the lubrication engineers not know something that you do? Materials that oxidize CAUSE the problems that you are describing. The chemicals in MMO will oxidize quicker than the oil it is being added to.

I think MMO might be a good idea for a quick flush (before it has time to oxidize), but keeping it in a crankcase for extended periods of time will do no good.

The rest of your post is well known and has nothing to do with MMO.


If people don't want to use MMO in their oil then don't use it, nuff said.

 

[Panzerman]

I read on the internet, a while back that MMO was actualy oil detergents. I dont think it would harm anything in the oil. Iam currently runin a bottle through my wifes car(in the gas) to see if it makes any improvement.

 

[mechtech2]

Panzerman - You may not measure an improvement, even though there are benefits.
Extra top end and fuel system lube is good, and so is some cleaning, but may not be measurable.

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: Panzerman
I read on the internet, a while back that MMO was actualy oil detergents.

MMO MSDS Not seeing any detergents.

 

[tackleberry625]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
I read on the internet, a while back that MMO was actualy oil detergents.

MMO MSDS Not seeing any detergents.


I like to keep things stired up just a bit. So.......Mineral Spirits which is in MMO cleans, as do detergents. Therefore one can think of MMO, because of it's cleaning ability, as a "detergent".

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: tackleberry625

I like to keep things stired up just a bit. So.......Mineral Spirits which is in MMO cleans, as do detergents. Therefore one can think of MMO, because of it's cleaning ability, as a "detergent".

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/additives-detergent-dispersants.41162/

 

[tackleberry625]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
Originally Posted By: tackleberry625

I like to keep things stired up just a bit. So.......Mineral Spirits which is in MMO cleans, as do detergents. Therefore one can think of MMO, because of it's cleaning ability, as a "detergent".

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/additives-detergent-dispersants.41162/


I do not understand why you posted that link. So I guess by posting the link, you are trying to tell me and other members on here that both Mineral Spirits and "detergents" which are in most motor oils, do not clean internal engine parts? That's all I was saying in the previous post.

 

[Tempest]

I posted the link to show that there is a difference between what are considered detergents, and what is considered solvent. Molekule's write up does not contain solvents.

And as you can see HERE and HERE, the lower the Naphthenic and Aromatic content, the better the oil.

 

[SKUNKY]

I'de like to hear about putting MMO in the transmission...I never heard of that before..I thought that ATF did all the cleaning you need..just change every 30k...and if were keeping score, I run MMO only in the gas on everything from new..done it for more years then I care to count..

 

[tackleberry625]

Originally Posted By: SKUNKY
I'de like to hear about putting MMO in the transmission...I never heard of that before..I thought that ATF did all the cleaning you need..just change every 30k...and if were keeping score, I run MMO only in the gas on everything from new..done it for more years then I care to count..


I used it in the wife's tranny in her 91 civic because the tranny was stuck in second gear until she drove it and got it hot. I drained the fluid, filled it with Valvoline ATF and added 1/2 qt MMO (the tranny holds 2.5 qts) and drove the car for 500-700 miles and now the tranny works perfectly. Drained the fluid one more time and put Valvolone dino ATF back in. MMO keeps the valve body clean and keeps the valves from sticking.

 

[SKUNKY]

Ok..cool...but it's not something you would do on a regular basis to maintain the trans..??

 

[Frank]

Why can't you ship mmo by air? by the way a solvent plant blew up
in Jacksonville yesterday. As always some nice people lost there lives.

Auto-Rx will never coat metal to dampen noises or pretend benefits (benefits that go away after 500 miles) we will never use solvents.

Using oil to clean transmission parts is going to turn out to be a costly choice.

 

[SKUNKY]

Using oil to clean transmission parts is going to turn out to be a costly choice.

Thanks Frank...Just keep it in the gas....10/4

 

[Oilgal]

I just started the ARX rinse phase yesterday. You should have seen all the grit and carbon, in that second clean phase filter, with only 1200 miles on it. I have to say that ARX has given me totally amazing results so far, and the bulk of the cleaning has just begun too. Amazing. I am just blown away by how well it works.

Thanks to Frank for creating such a truly amazing product.

PS

Thanks to Tempest also, for all the good well reasoned info on MMO. I still think MMO is good for parts cleaning, and and in the gas once in a while. It's not going in my crank case though. Just my opinion.

 

[Gary Allan]

I've used volatile solvents in an attempt to free up valve body bores in the past (usual cause of lazy shifting - perhaps a stuck governor). The lacquer reducers/carb cleaner type stuff. Much of the stuff evaporates ..some doesn't. I wouldn't do it now ..but even when I did employ such techniques (mechanic in a can stuff) ..I would be cautious of putting any agent that wasn't, at least, recommended by the producer for that application.

Now tackleberry got what he wanted out of it in improvements ...but it would be hard to say "Just throw MMO in your trans and ..". I've had to eat a few of my old world 70's remedies in light of way more preferred techniques. I terms of automotive evolutions ...no truth remains absolute for too long. It got way more complicated over the past 30 years.

Now fuel, that's a different story. As long as the introduced agent doesn't, in itself, foul plugs or whatever, the effects, if negative, can usually be remedied by just not using it. Any byproducts that are harmful or unfavorable aren't usually going to do too much in terms of "permanent" ..so you have more latitude.

I'm not trying to perseverate on NOT doing as tackleberry has. It's just that we're on a well viewed message board with a vast reach. I've had to backpedal on one MMO&ATF experiment after some heavyweights pointed out the potential liabilities (ash content in the ATF). It worked out okay for me and a few others ...but it's not something that you want a bunch of people doing if there's any down side to it. Surely someone is going to fall into a boobytrap for one reason or another.

You just gotta be careful when you tinker with some stuff ..and how you present it to others. I'm a risk taker. A confirmed one...so I have to put a perpetual disclaimer to much of what I do.

"Do NOT attempt this at home, folks. Experienced risk taking amateur on closed course."

You'll note that when one is a risk taker, you don't always here about the gambles that they lost at ..which allowed them the "sense" of how much to wager NOW. I don't know if I want to share all of the "Hey, look what I did with (fill in the blank)!".

 

[bcossa2001]

Well after reading 4 pages of postings I put 1/2 quart to top off my oil (500 miles before oil change) and put 3 oz. in the gas.

Can't tell a difference either way, but the stuff is so thin I tend to agree that it may not be the best thing for the crankcase.

No change in MPG, but I'm going to keep using and see if I can tell any difference.....

This has been an excellent thread....

 

[tackleberry625]

Originally Posted By: SKUNKY
Ok..cool...but it's not something you would do on a regular basis to maintain the trans..??


I have it in my wife's tranny right now but in a small amount (approx 6 ozs). I used to put it in my tundra but when I flushed the tranny a few weeks ago, I added the red bottle lube gard so I didn't put any MMO in the tranny that time. All the other times I did. A lot of ppl on here will prob tell you not to use it and it's one of those things where you have to form your own opinion. All I can tell you is as long as I have been using MMO in my vehciles, I have never had any engine, fuel injector/carb or tranny prob. My wife's car is the only exception but she wouldnt let me maintain her car up until she began to have the tranny prob. She would always take it to her family's mechanic they have had forever. Then she asked me to look at her car after the mech told her she would prob need a new tranny......it's that usually the way it works out. Women want the man to fix something after it is broken or it's about to die.