M1 ESP 0W-30 vs M1 ESP x2 0W-20

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For a while I had considered a 0w-30 instead of 0w-20 in my vehicles. I even found Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30 for less than $7/qt online. But when I compared the two, it appears Mobil 1 ESP X2 0w-20 may actually be a bit more robust. Not sure if this would apply to all VW oils specified as 504/507 and 508/509, but here is what I gathered from the product spec sheets for the two M1 products.


Grade_______________________________ Phosphorus________Zinc_________HTHS_________ASH__________TBN
Mobil1 ESP X2 0w20 VW 508/509_______ 880____________950___________2.6___________ .8___________ 12.1
Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30 VW504/507__________800____________ 900__________ 3.5___________ .8____________ 7.6

The TBN for the 0w-20 is from a VOA by Blackstone I found here at BITOG. Mobil 1 ESP X2 0W20 VOA (BITOG) It seems to be too high, but who knows. The HTHS viscosity of the 0w-20 may be an issue for some.

All things considered, I'll probably stick with the 0w-20, although the 0w-30 would probably be fine too. Given a choice for a 2020 VW 1.4 Tsi, what would you run?

Mobil 1 Engine Oil Product Guide (.pdf file)
 

sohccammer427

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I'd gladly take the significantly higher HT/HS over the little 50ppm of Zn any day, which is what I did for my new VW. That's what makes it "robust". The TBN difference is probably irrelevant considering today's fuels.

Also there in North Carolina the 5W-30 ESP is just as good and may be easier to find (it is here).
I thought I had listened to the Engineering Explained guy and he said the bottom number you really did not want to mess with? I still have some ESP 5w-30 leftover from when I had my Tdi that I'm going to run in my 2.8L Dumax as that is also Dexos2.
 
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What's the bottom number? You mean the winter rating?

Which winter rating you choose is dictated by the expected starting temperatures. The difference between an oil with a 0W and a 5W rating is only significant below -30F or so. If you aren't starting at that temperature then it won't make a significant difference.

My Gorn coffee mug is on the bottom shelf of my wife's fine china cabinet and it's only used about twice a year :)
 

sohccammer427

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What's the bottom number? You mean the winter rating?

Which winter rating you choose is dictated by the expected starting temperatures. The difference between an oil with a 0W and a 5W rating is only significant below -30F or so. If you aren't starting at that temperature then it won't make a significant difference.

My Gorn coffee mug is on the bottom shelf of my wife's fine china cabinet and it's only used about twice a yea
I found the video Will Thinner Oils Damage Your Engine? and I was wrong. He stated going lower on the 2nd number, was probably not a good idea. Pretty good video to watch from the start.

I have a Gorn bobble head I've had for many years in my man cave. :)
 
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I'd rather have the higher HTHS and gladly trade off a bit of zinc, phosphorous and a give up some tbn.
 
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For a turbo VW that gets driven hard I'd want the thicker 0w30 also. VW 504 is at the top of any specification for wear protection, a good idea with a turbo. The 0w30 also has a good shot of trinuclear moly and a boat load of boron. By comparison I don't know what's in the 0w20 I don't use 20 grades.

There isn't really a lose here though, both are fantastic lubes.
 

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For a turbo VW that gets driven hard I'd want the thicker 0w30 also. VW 504 is at the top of any specification for wear protection, a good idea with a turbo. The 0w30 also has a good shot of trinuclear moly and a boat load of boron. By comparison I don't know what's in the 0w20 I don't use 20 grades.

There isn't really a lose here though, both are fantastic lubes.
he VOA for the ESP X2 0w-20 has boron at 293 ppm and moly at 75 ppm. I could not locate a VOA for the ESP 0w-30 but I suspect the numbers would be roughly the same.
 
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The VOA for the ESP X2 0w-20 has boron at 293 ppm and moly at 75 ppm. I could not locate a VOA for the ESP 0w-30 but I suspect the numbers would be roughly the same.
exactly. I would say that those two oils are based on the same additive technology with different base oils ratio.
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