Just looking for some quick feedback on AFE 0w20 vs the others on the shelf such as PP, QSUD,etc. How does it compare to other broad market oils? Is 10k normally acceptable for this oil??
M1 AFE 0w20 vs the others on the shelf
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Is 10k normally acceptable for this oil??
If you want 5000 1 mile trips to and from work, probably not. Depends on the vehicle and driving type.
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Is 10k normally acceptable for this oil??
If you want 5000 1 mile trips to and from work, probably not. Depends on the vehicle and driving type.
Need more info.
PP has a better add pack. Just like Simple said above, it depends on your driving style. If you are like me and the majority of your driving is short trips, I would not go past 5000 miles. If you are all highway, 10,000 miles might be possible.
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Originally Posted By: gregk24
PP has a better add pack. Just like Simple said above, it depends on your driving style. If you are like me and the majority of your driving is short trips, I would not go past 5000 miles. If you are all highway, 10,000 miles might be possible.
No it doesn't. Since when are you a tribologist and can see everything that VOA/UOAs don't tell?
PP has a better add pack. Just like Simple said above, it depends on your driving style. If you are like me and the majority of your driving is short trips, I would not go past 5000 miles. If you are all highway, 10,000 miles might be possible.
No it doesn't. Since when are you a tribologist and can see everything that VOA/UOAs don't tell?
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Originally Posted By: gregk24
PP has a better add pack. Just like Simple said above, it depends on your driving style. If you are like me and the majority of your driving is short trips, I would not go past 5000 miles. If you are all highway, 10,000 miles might be possible.
No it doesn't. Since when are you a tribologist and can see everything that VOA/UOAs don't tell?
+1. Yes, M1 0-20 can easily go 10K and beyond for average driving. I've used this oil for several years now in both engines, all at 10-11K with excellant results. In fact I now have 8500 miles on this change and plan to drive to Florida in 3 weeks. I will change the filter and top off, then change oil and filter at 15K. Also both engines are like new clean and use no oil between changes.
Originally Posted By: gregk24
PP has a better add pack. Just like Simple said above, it depends on your driving style. If you are like me and the majority of your driving is short trips, I would not go past 5000 miles. If you are all highway, 10,000 miles might be possible.
No it doesn't. Since when are you a tribologist and can see everything that VOA/UOAs don't tell?
+1. Yes, M1 0-20 can easily go 10K and beyond for average driving. I've used this oil for several years now in both engines, all at 10-11K with excellant results. In fact I now have 8500 miles on this change and plan to drive to Florida in 3 weeks. I will change the filter and top off, then change oil and filter at 15K. Also both engines are like new clean and use no oil between changes.
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It has ran flawlessly in FX4 for 13,600 miles thus far. The UOA at 10K was impressive and I think it matches up to PP with no issues. Use it with confidence!
I run it 10k miles in a 2012 Honda CR-V, burns a little over a quart in that span. The engine becomes noisier as the 10k approaches, I am guessing the oil is shearing somewhat. Yes this is past the OLM by about 1800 miles, but this oil drains clean except for darkening from what I can see. The little Honda engine seems to like it and always spins over merrily.
So, all things considered. If the M1 and PP are both on the shelf for ~$25, is one a better choice than the other?
Also, I am looking for an oil to use in two vehicles that both spec 5w20 from the factory, however I *think* I like the 0w option especially in the winter for improved fuel economy and quicker start up flow, however looking at the viscosity numbers, I'm not sure if there is much if any real world advantage to using a 0w20 vs 5w20? I'm still not an expert on how much of an actual difference a tenth or two makes between the different oils. The M1 oils, in 0w20 and 5w20 are very similar @40c in all three options, and are a bit higher than the PP. @100c the 0w20 M1 is closer to both of the PP oils, and all are lower than the M1 5w20 oils. So this would lead me to believe than the AFE, or either PP oils would a little more fuel efficient than the 5w20 M1's? That being said, would the higher @100c numbers possibly provider better protection for a harder working engine such as a truck??? Or am I just over thinking this entire process??
AFE0w20 M15w20 M1EP5w20 PP0w20 PP5w20
@40c 8.7 8.9 8.9 8.39 8.56
@100c 44.8 49.8 49.6 42.8 45.34
Also, I am looking for an oil to use in two vehicles that both spec 5w20 from the factory, however I *think* I like the 0w option especially in the winter for improved fuel economy and quicker start up flow, however looking at the viscosity numbers, I'm not sure if there is much if any real world advantage to using a 0w20 vs 5w20? I'm still not an expert on how much of an actual difference a tenth or two makes between the different oils. The M1 oils, in 0w20 and 5w20 are very similar @40c in all three options, and are a bit higher than the PP. @100c the 0w20 M1 is closer to both of the PP oils, and all are lower than the M1 5w20 oils. So this would lead me to believe than the AFE, or either PP oils would a little more fuel efficient than the 5w20 M1's? That being said, would the higher @100c numbers possibly provider better protection for a harder working engine such as a truck??? Or am I just over thinking this entire process??
AFE0w20 M15w20 M1EP5w20 PP0w20 PP5w20
@40c 8.7 8.9 8.9 8.39 8.56
@100c 44.8 49.8 49.6 42.8 45.34
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Originally Posted By: Johnny248
So, all things considered. If the M1 and PP are both on the shelf for ~$25, is one a better choice than the other?
Also, I am looking for an oil to use in two vehicles that both spec 5w20 from the factory, however I *think* I like the 0w option especially in the winter for improved fuel economy and quicker start up flow, however looking at the viscosity numbers, I'm not sure if there is much if any real world advantage to using a 0w20 vs 5w20? I'm still not an expert on how much of an actual difference a tenth or two makes between the different oils. The M1 oils, in 0w20 and 5w20 are very similar @40c in all three options, and are a bit higher than the PP. @100c the 0w20 M1 is closer to both of the PP oils, and all are lower than the M1 5w20 oils. So this would lead me to believe than the AFE, or either PP oils would a little more fuel efficient than the 5w20 M1's? That being said, would the higher @100c numbers possibly provider better protection for a harder working engine such as a truck??? Or am I just over thinking this entire process??
AFE0w20 M15w20 M1EP5w20 PP0w20 PP5w20
@40c 8.7 8.9 8.9 8.39 8.56
@100c 44.8 49.8 49.6 42.8 45.34
The correct M1 AFE KV40 is 45.8cSt (44.8 is a misprint).
The current PP 0W-20 spec's are KV40 46.8cSt, KV100 8.6cSt, VI 164.
AFE has a 173 VI and HTHSV of 2.7cP.
M1 5W-20 has a 160 VI and a HTHSV of 2.75cP.
MEP 5W-20 has a 161 VI and HTHSV of 2.75cP.
PP 5W-20 has a 169 VI and HTHSV of 2.6cP.
And for comparison TGMO 0W-20 has KV40 37.4cP, KV100 8.54cP, VI 216, HTHSV 2.6cP.
If both vehicles are spec'd for 5W-20 I'd recommend M1 AFE 0W-20 since it's actually intended for 5W-20 applications.
High temperature protection is determined by the HTHS viscosity spec' not KV100 and AFE has a higher than average HTHSV of 2.7cP so there really isn't any reason to consider one of the M1 5W-20 offerings.
Your could consider PP 5W-20 which is actually a bit lighter than AFE 0W-20 in your climate.
So, all things considered. If the M1 and PP are both on the shelf for ~$25, is one a better choice than the other?
Also, I am looking for an oil to use in two vehicles that both spec 5w20 from the factory, however I *think* I like the 0w option especially in the winter for improved fuel economy and quicker start up flow, however looking at the viscosity numbers, I'm not sure if there is much if any real world advantage to using a 0w20 vs 5w20? I'm still not an expert on how much of an actual difference a tenth or two makes between the different oils. The M1 oils, in 0w20 and 5w20 are very similar @40c in all three options, and are a bit higher than the PP. @100c the 0w20 M1 is closer to both of the PP oils, and all are lower than the M1 5w20 oils. So this would lead me to believe than the AFE, or either PP oils would a little more fuel efficient than the 5w20 M1's? That being said, would the higher @100c numbers possibly provider better protection for a harder working engine such as a truck??? Or am I just over thinking this entire process??
AFE0w20 M15w20 M1EP5w20 PP0w20 PP5w20
@40c 8.7 8.9 8.9 8.39 8.56
@100c 44.8 49.8 49.6 42.8 45.34
The correct M1 AFE KV40 is 45.8cSt (44.8 is a misprint).
The current PP 0W-20 spec's are KV40 46.8cSt, KV100 8.6cSt, VI 164.
AFE has a 173 VI and HTHSV of 2.7cP.
M1 5W-20 has a 160 VI and a HTHSV of 2.75cP.
MEP 5W-20 has a 161 VI and HTHSV of 2.75cP.
PP 5W-20 has a 169 VI and HTHSV of 2.6cP.
And for comparison TGMO 0W-20 has KV40 37.4cP, KV100 8.54cP, VI 216, HTHSV 2.6cP.
If both vehicles are spec'd for 5W-20 I'd recommend M1 AFE 0W-20 since it's actually intended for 5W-20 applications.
High temperature protection is determined by the HTHS viscosity spec' not KV100 and AFE has a higher than average HTHSV of 2.7cP so there really isn't any reason to consider one of the M1 5W-20 offerings.
Your could consider PP 5W-20 which is actually a bit lighter than AFE 0W-20 in your climate.
Caterham, glad you chimed in with your 20w expertise. I think I will give the AFE a chance. I've never really been a fan of M1 in the past, for no reason other than maybe the big Mobil name behind it just didn't appeal to me. Marketing? I don't know, maybe I just don't like to jump on the big brand name band wagon. Anyway...
Both vehicles spec 5w20 (I think....) The car is an '08 Kia Spectra 2.0l. The cap says 5w20 , but the manual even shows something like 10w40 if I remember correct. Pretty big swing in oils there. This car is female driven, and see prob 80-90% city dring.
The 2nd application is an '11 5.7l MDS Hemi Ram. That truck calls for 8k intervals, and the olm usually ends up being pretty close. I want to have something with some headroom for oil life as well as peace of mind that the truck has more than adequate protection. It sees maybe 70% hwy use, but also is towing sometimes. On top of that, I'm looking to squeeze every last bit of fuel economy with it since it is so thirsty.
Both vehicles spec 5w20 (I think....) The car is an '08 Kia Spectra 2.0l. The cap says 5w20 , but the manual even shows something like 10w40 if I remember correct. Pretty big swing in oils there. This car is female driven, and see prob 80-90% city dring.
The 2nd application is an '11 5.7l MDS Hemi Ram. That truck calls for 8k intervals, and the olm usually ends up being pretty close. I want to have something with some headroom for oil life as well as peace of mind that the truck has more than adequate protection. It sees maybe 70% hwy use, but also is towing sometimes. On top of that, I'm looking to squeeze every last bit of fuel economy with it since it is so thirsty.
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