Just proved my prediction. Dodged my point.
I would not prefer if they disappeared because an authority forced them off the word.
Refusing to acknowledge this…
Lots of new Ram trucks rotting on dealer lots it seems
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I would not prefer if they disappeared because an authority forced them off the word.
Refusing to acknowledge this…
Agree! I remember all the flack I caught going from GM trucks to my RAM lol..
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What you're refusing to acknowledge is that your views don't stop at "wishing society would change". That's quite naive.
You say you prefer the choice, but I suspect otherwise (deep down) and even if you are one of those very few that stop where you insist you will, your views are shared by karens who will not stop there. You're in the very small minority, if you spend any time on reddit you will see the truth of this. There is no such thing when the heat is turned up (covid should have made that clear, all our opinions went hard left or right very little middle ground).
Throw in some scare mongering about the environment and watch the knives come out. "think of the children" etc.
The truth of the matter is, society doesn't need to change from trucks. That's kind of what you're missing here as well. They are useful, productive, luxurious, and yes they come with downsides and some risk like everything else in life. Your view is flawed from the outset because you think trucks are problem, when they really aren't. They're a tool, and they're an option, and they're the best choice for some uses cases and the worst choice for other use cases, but wishing them away is just ignorance.
The American lifestyle is unsustainable, leaving out environmental factors and oil and power there aren’t enough resources to maintain it.
Our soils were considered dangerously degraded in the 40’s
We lack adequate natural fertilizer resources and have inadequate land to follow proper crop rotation including fallow.
Our water use exceeds watershed availability.
We’ve moved to the all drug Olympics to keep things limping along but most of the land can’t grow plants fit for human consumption
And all of our progress since 1900 could be erased if more of the rest of the world wants even a fraction of our lifestyle .
At current rates there will be no farming possible out west in 10-20 years.
Thankfully our population is starting to fall but it likely won’t shrink fast enough to follow changes in crop yields.
I clearly get your point. However, I'd like to make a few points.
1) Platinum was well under $40K not all that long ago. Adjusted for inflation it should be no more than $55K today.
2) We honestly don't know how much money others have. I live in S FL, the ave income for a home loan at my local bank in 2001 was $175K! Sure, this does not translate to any national ave, but it does show that there was a large group of people with impressive income. Mine income was $100K lower than that back then. It is no wonder my loan limited the scope of house I could build, which cost $157K.
3) He may in fact be able to swing the payments on everything. Barring disaster, he may do OK, he may not be able to do what I did and retire at 60.
Not sure where you’re getting all of this, but this has been predicted for the last 40 years and none of it came true.
Population collapse will not be pretty and it will not be cause by lack of resources
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Its not all that useful to panic about the future because the concern about 40 years ago is built on projections and knowledge from today.
Artificial Intelligence, robots, just 2 absolutely staggering changes coming our way and nobody has any idea how that will be used, for good and/or bad, just that its going to flip our would upside down.
As @KrisZ mentioned, a declining population is also a concern. That could go either way, not enough work force to support the elderly but it could also be somewhat beneficial as AI/robots/automation takes more and more jobs away.
Who knows. I'm not suggesting our current lifestyle is sustainable or perfect.
Artificial Intelligence, robots, just 2 absolutely staggering changes coming our way and nobody has any idea how that will be used, for good and/or bad, just that its going to flip our would upside down.
As @KrisZ mentioned, a declining population is also a concern. That could go either way, not enough work force to support the elderly but it could also be somewhat beneficial as AI/robots/automation takes more and more jobs away.
Who knows. I'm not suggesting our current lifestyle is sustainable or perfect.
Yes, they do. This is exactly the same thing as freedom of speech. Do I like all things people say? No. They should be free to say whatever they want except calling for violence, (though the definition of calling for violence has been abused by politicians, these days.)
So essentially what you’re saying is this:
People have the freedom to do X, (example say mean things or buy a ford excursion to commute)
I wish they would not do X (say mean things or buy an excursion to commute)
You say to me “your desire they adjust their behaviors doesn’t end at simply wanting change, it will lead to totalitarian quashing of freedom”
Which is wrong.
My position does end there.
It’s like you say, someone simply wishing people would curtail over consumption is wrong - like a direct route to a draconian society. Which I completely disagree with.
Some people want censorship - I do not want. I simply want people to exercise FREE WILL (please understand this!) restraint in what they say (or do, like buying massive vehicles without any measure of restraint by their own volition)
You accuse me by association. So stop comparing me to Karens and argue my point as spoken, because it is not right to associate my arguments with something that is blatantly contrary to my perspective like censorship or quashing people’s choice to buy what they want.
No. My viewpoint does not lead to government overreach. If a majority of the population said they don’t like overconsumption, but will DEFEND others’ right to do it, that is NOT destroying freedom.
I respect that you haven’t resorted to insults, or outbursts of anger, but still, your argument that my viewpoint is equivalent to “Karen” domination is wrong, my friend.
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Wishing for a group of people to change their behavior implies the person wishing for the change sees themselves as having a moral high ground or that somehow their view is more valid than others. Of course they don’t.
Judging someone’s motives negatively without evidence is a slanderous accusation. How do you know the internal motives of someone’s argument if they have not said it out loud?
Differing opinions on something does not equal superiority complexes.
I don’t know your internal motives nor did I imply you had any, but having such views and defending them so vigorously, shows a bit of a superiority complex IMO.
So why do you wish people stopped buying trucks? Because they’re wasteful? Too big? Too expensive?
That’s all YOUR opinion though. So how is your opinion more valid than another men’s?
Yes, that’s right, adding safety of others added to it. Yes. It’s my opinion.
What do you mean more valid? Do you not think that your opinion on people buying big vehicles without any restraint is better than mine?
If you’re going to use the argument that my opinion on consumption is not any better than someone elses’s, you can’t apply it to your own without being a hypocrite.
Please don’t appeal to a high moral sounding argument. Your superiority complex just comes off stronger than you realize.
BTW, trucks already have big restrictions, they are very expensive to buy and operate.
That’s just an insult. I haven’t insulted you at all.
It bothers me to see so much farmland turned in to houses, apartments and strip malls and I have often wondered just how much farming capacity we have lost over just the past 10 years vs how many more mouths to feed.
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KrisZ can be like that. I have him/he on ignore.
E85 and biodiesel may become a thing of the past.
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And as much as I disagree with you, you have been a respectful person to debate. So for that, I commend you.
And as much as I disagree with you, you have been a respectful person to debate. So for that, I commend you.
I had forgotten that part - so much corn grown just for fuel ethanol.
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