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That sounds like it ate the cam.
Ram 3500 6.4l hemi engine failure after using Fram oil filter
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We've seen tons of crossover between FRAM/Champion since the First Brands acquisitions, we ended up with Frampions, lol.
Here's one @53' Stude cut open recently, it has louvers:
Good Morning filter porn addicts. Filter was off a friends 18’ GMC TERRAIN with AWD and 4 cylinder engine. Oil he put in was M1 0w20 and this filter. Put a Premium Guard filter he supplied and some M1 0w20 EP ahe brought. 74k on vehicle.
Here's a FRAM with the Champion e-core:
I have for your amusement a cut open FRAM PH10575 (E-CORE) that was in service on 2025 Gladiator with 3.6L Pentastar using a Baxter Performance oil filter adapter. Was used for approx. 3400 miles with Quaker State Full Synthetic 5W-30 oil.
Have used E-CORE's in the past with relative no issue but further inspection showed the join seam pleat was no longer fused to the end cap on one end which I speculate is due to the wide pleat spacing. ADBV did have some "Shark Bite" marks.
Replaced with a Precision Parts (Premium Guard) PPG2500 oil filter and Quaker State Euro 5W-40.
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Have used E-CORE's in the past with relative no issue but further inspection showed the join seam pleat was no longer fused to the end cap on one end which I speculate is due to the wide pleat spacing. ADBV did have some "Shark Bite" marks.
Replaced with a Precision Parts (Premium Guard) PPG2500 oil filter and Quaker State Euro 5W-40.
Here's a FRAM Endurance with louvers:
Here's two FRAM XG's, one with an e-core, the other with louvers:
Just got my subscription oil filter from Amazon, as usual Fram Ultra XG7317. And it looks completely different from all the filters I’ve used in the past 2-3 years. Here are some pictures. It is ~40 grams lighter. There no metal lining on the inside. The texture of the grip material looks and feels different. All in all it’s very different. What do y’all think? Did I get a fake one?
Here's a FRAM Endurance with mostly closed louvers:
Just got back from Walmart ...
first
second
Not sure which one better, second has metal clips stuck in the metal louvers
first
second
Not sure which one better, second has metal clips stuck in the metal louvers
Another Endurance where the louvers don't look great:
Thread on the "Frampion" filters:
The three 7317 Fram filters you can find almost anywhere, the Extra Guard, Tough Guard, and Ultra Synthetic, appear to be getting the Champion Labs 13-hole baseplate, dome end yellow dot matrix date code, and e-core design. Unfortunately, the Ultra Synthetic does not get the old wire backing back.
All of these were purchased in 2024/2025, with the new design all being found at my local Wal-Mart. Info dump time:
# - Design - Filter Date Code - Box Date Code
Fram Extra Guard PH7317 oil filters:
1 - Fram Design - A41763 - 5/24 (1)
2 - Fram Design - A42623 - 8/24 (1)
3 - Champ...
All of these were purchased in 2024/2025, with the new design all being found at my local Wal-Mart. Info dump time:
# - Design - Filter Date Code - Box Date Code
Fram Extra Guard PH7317 oil filters:
1 - Fram Design - A41763 - 5/24 (1)
2 - Fram Design - A42623 - 8/24 (1)
3 - Champ...
FRAM Titanium, some closed louvers:
2024 Denali 6.2L 13k miles
in service 12k miles
out/off: 8 quarts HPL PCEO 5w-30 with Fram Titanium FS10575
in/on: 8 quarts HPL PCEO 5w-30 with Fram Endurance FE10575
looks great, leaf spring was smooth and tight. wish I could find more of these. 2024 build code with wire backing.
in service 12k miles
out/off: 8 quarts HPL PCEO 5w-30 with Fram Titanium FS10575
in/on: 8 quarts HPL PCEO 5w-30 with Fram Endurance FE10575
looks great, leaf spring was smooth and tight. wish I could find more of these. 2024 build code with wire backing.
There are plenty more examples.
Thanks for showing me this. I guess I should check each filter with a flashlight from now on. It's almost like you can't even do your own oil changes safely anymore.We've seen tons of crossover between FRAM/Champion since the First Brands acquisitions, we ended up with Frampions, lol.
Here's one @53' Stude cut open recently, it has louvers:
Good Morning filter porn addicts. Filter was off a friends 18’ GMC TERRAIN with AWD and 4 cylinder engine. Oil he put in was M1 0w20 and this filter. Put a Premium Guard filter he supplied and some M1 0w20 EP ahe brought. 74k on vehicle.
Here's a FRAM with the Champion e-core:
I have for your amusement a cut open FRAM PH10575 (E-CORE) that was in service on 2025 Gladiator with 3.6L Pentastar using a Baxter Performance oil filter adapter. Was used for approx. 3400 miles with Quaker State Full Synthetic 5W-30 oil.
Have used E-CORE's in the past with relative no issue but further inspection showed the join seam pleat was no longer fused to the end cap on one end which I speculate is due to the wide pleat spacing. ADBV did have some "Shark Bite" marks.
Replaced with a Precision Parts (Premium Guard) PPG2500 oil filter and Quaker State Euro 5W-40.
...
Here's a FRAM Endurance with louvers:
Here's two FRAM XG's, one with an e-core, the other with louvers:
Just got my subscription oil filter from Amazon, as usual Fram Ultra XG7317. And it looks completely different from all the filters I’ve used in the past 2-3 years. Here are some pictures. It is ~40 grams lighter. There no metal lining on the inside. The texture of the grip material looks and feels different. All in all it’s very different. What do y’all think? Did I get a fake one?
Here's a FRAM Endurance with mostly closed louvers:
Just got back from Walmart ...
first
second
Not sure which one better, second has metal clips stuck in the metal louvers
Another Endurance where the louvers don't look great:
Thread on the "Frampion" filters:
The three 7317 Fram filters you can find almost anywhere, the Extra Guard, Tough Guard, and Ultra Synthetic, appear to be getting the Champion Labs 13-hole baseplate, dome end yellow dot matrix date code, and e-core design. Unfortunately, the Ultra Synthetic does not get the old wire backing back.
All of these were purchased in 2024/2025, with the new design all being found at my local Wal-Mart. Info dump time:
# - Design - Filter Date Code - Box Date Code
Fram Extra Guard PH7317 oil filters:
1 - Fram Design - A41763 - 5/24 (1)
2 - Fram Design - A42623 - 8/24 (1)
3 - Champ...
FRAM Titanium, some closed louvers:
2024 Denali 6.2L 13k miles
in service 12k miles
out/off: 8 quarts HPL PCEO 5w-30 with Fram Titanium FS10575
in/on: 8 quarts HPL PCEO 5w-30 with Fram Endurance FE10575
looks great, leaf spring was smooth and tight. wish I could find more of these. 2024 build code with wire backing.
There are plenty more examples.
Honda OEMs are Fram, so much for that supposed opposition.
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$100 Site Donor 2021
You are quite welcome. Part of the reason I stockpiled OG XG2's with the holes in the centre tube and wire backed media, they were pre-First Brands modifications.
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I find the low oil pressure thing a bit odd. Engine lubrication systems bypass on the high end. A bypass inside the filter mainly just protects the media from Pc …
As shown in this graph - PRV’s relieve partial flow - not full flow …
Problem might not be on the discharge side …
As shown in this graph - PRV’s relieve partial flow - not full flow …
Problem might not be on the discharge side …
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$50 site donor 2025
Is there a pickup tube seal on this Hemi similar to a SBC? - low kPa could be pointing to that side …
https://www.moparpartsonsale.com/oe...i2rPiOzeWZd8cB4c8j3TyX6cq6PmO082Yt0VKfcEUKVwi
It's a old truck with alot of miles on it
Probably just coincidence that a issue came up after oil change
Maybe oil pump is shot , who knows
But I have seen one oil filter issue , just one in 45 years of automotive experience
Was a luberfiner oil filter
Fram is most certainly going to deny claim , good luck though
Probably just coincidence that a issue came up after oil change
Maybe oil pump is shot , who knows
But I have seen one oil filter issue , just one in 45 years of automotive experience
Was a luberfiner oil filter
Fram is most certainly going to deny claim , good luck though
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If it's a defective filter, such as closed louvers pictured above, then you'll likely be covered.
Would you happen to have saved the suspect filter?
Would you happen to have saved the suspect filter?
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I never put thought into louvers vs holes but more I’m on here the more I want to stay away from louvers.
We have a pretty good track record of incorrectly formed louvers. It started with M+H made filters and then First Brands. QC since covid has gone downhill for both companies. Luckily inspection of the louvers is simple before installation. Unfortunately the internal defects are found after use during c&p’s.
Puzzling. First the louvers would have to be defective ( closed). Secondly the bypass would have to be defective. The XG10060 is one of of my go to’s. I take it this one is the latest design with the new media?
Low oil pressure will definitely trigger a permanent code.
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Bypass wouldn't have to be defective, he had SOME oil pressure (according to the OP), but the bypass isn't sized to be able to handle total system volume flow, so there would be a considerable reduction in the amount of oil making it to the engine, as the pump would be hard on the relief.
That said, this is a pretty wild scenario if as described.
As an additional safety precaution, it's always a good idea to prime the oil filter before installation. If the louvers are not perforated correctly and closed, the fresh oil will not be absorbed from the center tube into the pleats, and that should raise red flags immediately and the filter should not be installed onto the engine.
We need to define a few parameters. I’ll let the Hemi experts chime in. On a 6.4 Hemi, where is the oil pressure sensor mounted. ( the one that indicates the pressure on the dash board. )
There are several things wrong with that.
1. if filter is horizontal or base down vertical you cant.
2. Cat says no, Its an easy way to get unfiltered debris into your engine.
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After the filter, at the front of the engine above the water pump.