Ram 3500 6.4l hemi engine failure after using Fram oil filter

I will get the full diag sheet Tuesday when they open, they told me over the phone just before close but I want to post what they wrote on the sheet,
Engine codes I remember are for
cylinder 8 misfire
Multi cylinder misfire
And maybe one more I’ll post more info with actual codes Tuesday.
That sounds like it ate the cam.
 
Yes, but isn't that more of an AMSOIL/Champion Labs quality control issue? This doesn't look like it was manufactured by Champ.

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We've seen tons of crossover between FRAM/Champion since the First Brands acquisitions, we ended up with Frampions, lol.

Here's one @53' Stude cut open recently, it has louvers:

Here's a FRAM with the Champion e-core:

Here's a FRAM Endurance with louvers:

Here's two FRAM XG's, one with an e-core, the other with louvers:

Here's a FRAM Endurance with mostly closed louvers:

Another Endurance where the louvers don't look great:

Thread on the "Frampion" filters:

FRAM Titanium, some closed louvers:


There are plenty more examples.
 
We've seen tons of crossover between FRAM/Champion since the First Brands acquisitions, we ended up with Frampions, lol.

Here's one @53' Stude cut open recently, it has louvers:

Here's a FRAM with the Champion e-core:

Here's a FRAM Endurance with louvers:

Here's two FRAM XG's, one with an e-core, the other with louvers:

Here's a FRAM Endurance with mostly closed louvers:

Another Endurance where the louvers don't look great:

Thread on the "Frampion" filters:

FRAM Titanium, some closed louvers:


There are plenty more examples.
Thanks for showing me this. I guess I should check each filter with a flashlight from now on. It's almost like you can't even do your own oil changes safely anymore.
 
Thanks for showing me this. I guess I should check each filter with a flashlight from now on. It's almost like you can't even do your own oil changes safely anymore.
You are quite welcome. Part of the reason I stockpiled OG XG2's with the holes in the centre tube and wire backed media, they were pre-First Brands modifications.
 
I find the low oil pressure thing a bit odd. Engine lubrication systems bypass on the high end. A bypass inside the filter mainly just protects the media from Pc …
As shown in this graph - PRV’s relieve partial flow - not full flow …
Problem might not be on the discharge side …

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It's a old truck with alot of miles on it
Probably just coincidence that a issue came up after oil change
Maybe oil pump is shot , who knows
But I have seen one oil filter issue , just one in 45 years of automotive experience
Was a luberfiner oil filter
Fram is most certainly going to deny claim , good luck though
 
I find the low oil pressure thing a bit odd. Engine lubrication systems bypass on the high end. A bypass inside the filter mainly just protects the media from Pc …
As shown in this graph - PRV’s relieve partial flow - not full flow …
Problem might not be on the discharge side …

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Yeah, unless there's no path through the media because the louvers are closed, that would force all oil through the bypass, which, as you note, isn't designed for that purpose.
 
I never put thought into louvers vs holes but more I’m on here the more I want to stay away from louvers.
We have a pretty good track record of incorrectly formed louvers. It started with M+H made filters and then First Brands. QC since covid has gone downhill for both companies. Luckily inspection of the louvers is simple before installation. Unfortunately the internal defects are found after use during c&p’s.
 
Puzzling. First the louvers would have to be defective ( closed). Secondly the bypass would have to be defective. The XG10060 is one of of my go to’s. I take it this one is the latest design with the new media?
 
As I said in my first post, the only way I can see this happening as described is if the filter had a louvered centre tube and all the louvers were shut, forcing any flow through the bypass, which isn't large enough to handle it all, resulting in considerable engagement of the pump relief. But yes, I'd expect a code or something related to this. He said oil pressure dropped to 11psi (80kpa) from 29psi (200kpa).
Low oil pressure will definitely trigger a permanent code.
 
Puzzling. First the louvers would have to be defective ( closed). Secondly the bypass would have to be defective. The XG10060 is one of of my go to’s. I take it this one is the latest design with the new media?
Bypass wouldn't have to be defective, he had SOME oil pressure (according to the OP), but the bypass isn't sized to be able to handle total system volume flow, so there would be a considerable reduction in the amount of oil making it to the engine, as the pump would be hard on the relief.

That said, this is a pretty wild scenario if as described.
 
As an additional safety precaution, it's always a good idea to prime the oil filter before installation. If the louvers are not perforated correctly and closed, the fresh oil will not be absorbed from the center tube into the pleats, and that should raise red flags immediately and the filter should not be installed onto the engine.

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As an additional safety precaution, it's always a good idea to prime the oil filter before installation. If the louvers are not perforated correctly and closed, the fresh oil will not be absorbed from the center tube into the pleats, and that should raise red flags immediately and the filter should not be installed onto the engine.
There are several things wrong with that.
1. if filter is horizontal or base down vertical you cant.
2. Cat says no, Its an easy way to get unfiltered debris into your engine.
 
We need to define a few parameters. I’ll let the Hemi experts chime in. On a 6.4 Hemi, where is the oil pressure sensor mounted. ( the one that indicates the pressure on the dash board. )
After the filter, at the front of the engine above the water pump.
 
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