I think it was irresponsible to have let people move back in after katrina. Move back so this can happen again and again with loss of life? Its below sea lever, it gets hit all the time with hurricanes. It should have been completely evacuated and the remaining levies blown up and put it underwater for good, this would save countless lives and countless dollars rebuilding every few years.
Looks like Neworleans is gonna get slammed again
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There is an area about 40 miles north of here that flooded back in 1994 when the river got too high. There are many places there that they would not let anyone rebuild. A old man I know who grew up there told me he remembers when he was a kid there were creeks where there are streets now. Those streets occasionally flood now.
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$100 Billion (cost of Katrina) will buy a lot of canal, train system, or superhighway. Don't ever think the Port of New Orleans and the Port of Louisiana are absolutely essential for moving goods in and out of the US.
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$100 Billion (cost of Katrina) will buy a lot of canal, train system, or superhighway. Don't ever think the Port of New Orleans and the Port of Louisiana are absolutely essential for moving goods in and out of the US.
I have no clue why you're coming to those conclusions because they are illogical. Real simple: corn, soybeans, manufactured stuff grown and built in the midwest. Big river with easy access. Put that stuff on barges and it flows to the Gulf of Mexico where it's put on ships to be transported the world over. That spot has been the export center in the US for centuries for a reason. And now you want to move it because you don't like New Orleans?
ANYWHERE you put infrastructure along the gulf coast, it's susceptible to tropical cyclones and the damage they cause. The additional yearly operating costs to move the industrial and agriculture output to a different location for shipping, would be ridiculous.
$100 Billion (cost of Katrina) will buy a lot of canal, train system, or superhighway. Don't ever think the Port of New Orleans and the Port of Louisiana are absolutely essential for moving goods in and out of the US.
I have no clue why you're coming to those conclusions because they are illogical. Real simple: corn, soybeans, manufactured stuff grown and built in the midwest. Big river with easy access. Put that stuff on barges and it flows to the Gulf of Mexico where it's put on ships to be transported the world over. That spot has been the export center in the US for centuries for a reason. And now you want to move it because you don't like New Orleans?
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I think it was irresponsible to have let people move back in after katrina.
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The National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP), a part of the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), writes the vast majority of flood insurance on residential properties in the United States.
http://www.rand.org/gulf-states/policy-spotlights/flood-insurance-reforms.html
The Federal government subsidizes, and therefore encourages, people to build in flood zones.
I think it was irresponsible to have let people move back in after katrina.
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The National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP), a part of the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), writes the vast majority of flood insurance on residential properties in the United States.
http://www.rand.org/gulf-states/policy-spotlights/flood-insurance-reforms.html
The Federal government subsidizes, and therefore encourages, people to build in flood zones.
here in PA, after the Delaware flooded the homes along the river, word was the gov't would pay them ONCE to either rebuild or move.
most all of them took the money to rebuild and raise their homes.
most all of them took the money to rebuild and raise their homes.
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I'm not really coming to conclusions. I'm simply offering thoughts for discussion. It may very well be cheapest to maintain New Orleans and ship massive quantites through the post. But we don't HAVE to. Money always decides where and how things are done.
"Big river with easy access"? $100B for rebuilding after Katrina does not make it easy.
"Big river with easy access"? $100B for rebuilding after Katrina does not make it easy.
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most all of them took the money to rebuild and raise their homes.
Thats what I am thinking, if you choose to live in a flood prone area any new structure should be built to withstand a flood.
yes, new construction. BUT, there are MANY old structures that have existed and continue to stand in flood prone areas. LOTS of old buildings in NOLA, just like in many coastal and riverside areas.
I'd vote to get rid of San Francisco before NOLA...
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most all of them took the money to rebuild and raise their homes.
Thats what I am thinking, if you choose to live in a flood prone area any new structure should be built to withstand a flood.
yes, new construction. BUT, there are MANY old structures that have existed and continue to stand in flood prone areas. LOTS of old buildings in NOLA, just like in many coastal and riverside areas.
I'd vote to get rid of San Francisco before NOLA...
I know here they have told people in one area that they wouldn't pay anymore for flood damage after the last one. They gave them the choice of staying without insurance or a buyout. I believe in one case they moved a whole town because of the flooding problems over the years. In N.O. case I think they should have bought out the homes in the worst hit areas and coverted them back to natural as a buffer to hurricaines. I agree though that in a way they encourage building there, but on the other hand in a lot of places you have to get permits to build, so in those cases they shouldn't get permits. I know in my case when I bought nothing was even said about me being on a flood plain until 20 years later when I applied for a home equity loan. I had the place surveyed and it got off the flood plain and then because the gov hadn't kept up the flood diversion ditch around the city they changed mine to a 100 year flood plain so now I'm back on it again.
Well, I'm back from Jackson, MS, where I bugged out on Thursday. I just couldn't take the heat without A/C, so I drove up (through the fringes of the rain from Isaac, as it happened), and spent two nights at a Hampton on the northern edge of town. The Buick performed like a thoroughbred, as usual. I'll give it a good bath as soon as I can.
Power is still out in a lot of areas and for a lot of residents; traffic lights are still out; there are grocery stores open, including Wal-Mart. Wonder among wonders, they've removed the tree that fell outside my apartment, and I saw very little debris on the main streets as I came home.
We will probably be back to normal (normal for this outpost of the Twilight Zone, anyhow) much faster than we were in 2005.
Power is still out in a lot of areas and for a lot of residents; traffic lights are still out; there are grocery stores open, including Wal-Mart. Wonder among wonders, they've removed the tree that fell outside my apartment, and I saw very little debris on the main streets as I came home.
We will probably be back to normal (normal for this outpost of the Twilight Zone, anyhow) much faster than we were in 2005.
Wonder who will get blamed this time...
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Wonder who will get blamed this time...
Oh, it's already started. Entergy, the local power company, is getting criticized for not getting the juice flowing fast enough. This, despite their early and repeated statement they had to wait until winds dropped below 35 mph to send the crews out, and despite the crews from 24 states that have converged to help out. On Thursday morning, as I was fleeing in the rain, I saw a convoy of power trucks coming in from Mississippi.
That said, if my power still wasn't on in this 100-degree heat index steambath, I'd probably be squealing too.
Wonder who will get blamed this time...
Oh, it's already started. Entergy, the local power company, is getting criticized for not getting the juice flowing fast enough. This, despite their early and repeated statement they had to wait until winds dropped below 35 mph to send the crews out, and despite the crews from 24 states that have converged to help out. On Thursday morning, as I was fleeing in the rain, I saw a convoy of power trucks coming in from Mississippi.
That said, if my power still wasn't on in this 100-degree heat index steambath, I'd probably be squealing too.
You can not blame the local power company for widespread damage to power lines, there are several thousands people working 16 hour shift, many came from other states to help out, what else do the people of NO wants ?
We had a power outage due to high winds and Entergy called people and informed us that a majority of the repair people had been sent to Louisiana to help there. Entergy said they would get to it as soon as possible because there is only a small crew left here. I know how hot and miserable it is without power. We will be between 97* and 102* this week. I would rather be without power than have someone risk their life just so I could have my air on.
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