Like I said.....only a matter of time for EV's to be cost competitive

[tmorris1]

Here we go -
https://jalopnik.com/cruise-control-fire-recall-expanded-to-fords-largest-ev-5381540

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/08/ford_massive_recall.html
I could post numerous more-but I won't.

BTW-only 50% of India's households have indoor plumbing. What do you think their electrical wiring is like? I mean really.....

Find a country with building codes like ours....

Same could be said for a lot of South America.

 

[alarmguy]

I just traded in a 2017 Santa Fe Hyundai Santa Fe for a 2022 Highlander. The Highlander was $8.00 less year. So basically a wash to insure a nearly new Highlander (8,000 miles on it) verses a nearly 7 year old vehicle. Figure that one out. Lot's of guys of power drills, etc. recharging in their garage.

Similar for me. 2018 GTI is $365 for a 6 month premium for me, our 2023 Model 3 is $392. It's a bigger gap but they are completely different vehicles. I just don't see anything glaringly showing the Tesla to be unusually more expensive.

I have found over the last few decades that it is typical to insure a new car for less than the old, all things being equal as far as the coverage you choose. Insurance is cheap if you dont get tickets or have claims.

My 2017 Traverse with $1000 deductible comp and collision cost $250 every six months.
Our second car a rarely used Mazda 3 2012 cost less than $250 every six months we only carry comp on this one, no collision.

I carry pretty good liability and total for both cars including the above mentioned collision and comp is $494 every six months.

 

[Number_35]

This, also an EVs ability to be reliable in cold weather. When it's 30 below, I don't want to be stuck in the middle of nowhere without power.

That cuts both ways, right? If charged, an EV will always start in cold weather (unlike an ICE).

However, I believe an EV loses more range in cold weather than an ICE vehicle does.

 

[billt460]

It's not so much a "contest" between ICE or EV's for fire frequency. As it is the dangers involved in putting out EV battery fires. They are far more dangerous to extinguish. And give off more toxic gasses. Fireman hate them, and I can understand why.

"High-voltage lithium-ion batteries pose special dangers that fire departments do not encounter with cars powered by internal-combustion engines".

https://prospect.org/environment/2023-01-26-firefighter-hell-electric-car-battery-fire/

 

[tmorris1]

It's not so much a "contest" between ICE or EV's for fire frequency. As it is the dangers involved in putting out EV battery fires. They are far more dangerous to extinguish. And give off more toxic gasses. Fireman hate them, and I can understand why.

"High-voltage lithium-ion batteries pose special dangers that fire departments do not encounter with cars powered by internal-combustion engines".

https://prospect.org/environment/2023-01-26-firefighter-hell-electric-car-battery-fire/

I have seen stories where they have to dig a hole and bury the car or fill it with water to extinguish the battery fires.

 

[TeamZero]

No way I'm driving around on top of a cheap chinese battery. I've seen enough vids of burning up scooters and busses over there.