Chinese will dominate Electric Vehicle (EV) ?

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Big talks from Chinese company LeEco executives, "Our products are not upgraded from those that already exist. They are revolutionary ... products that never existed before".

Can they deliver ?

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Tomorrow's cars will be all-electric, self-driving, connected to high-speed communications networks ... and free.

And probably Chinese.

That, at least, is the vision of Jia Yueting, a billionaire entrepreneur and one of a new breed of Chinese who see their technology expertise re-engineering the automobile industry, and usurping Tesla Motors, a U.S. pioneer in premium electric vehicle (EV) making.

"Tesla's a great company and has taken the global car industry to the EV era," Jia said in an interview at the Beijing headquarters of his Le Holdings Co, or LeEco. "But we're not just building a car. We consider the car a smart mobile device on four wheels, essentially no different to a cellphone or tablet".


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As a sign of intent, 43-year-old Jia last week unveiled the LeSEE electric concept supercar, a rival to Tesla's Model S. The "smart, connected and self-driving" car will be displayed at this week's Beijing autoshow.

"People questioned our idea, a small IT company building a car to compete with the BMWs and Teslas of the world, and laughed at us. It wasn't easy, but here we are," Jia told Reuters.

The web-connected electric cars will have a "disruptive" pricing model similar to phones and TV sets LeEco markets in China, Jia says. His company, often called China's Netflix, will sell movies, TV shows, music and other content and services to drivers of its cars. That's why he says "one day our cars will be free." Nearer-term, the disruption is more likely to be "double the performance at half the price."


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Beyond LeEco, Chinese tech heavyweights including Baidu , Alibaba, Tencent and Xiaomi have funded more than half a dozen EV start-ups, such as NextEV and CH-Auto. It's widely expected China's bus, taxi and courier firms will be encouraged to go electric.

"We define our car in a whole new way ... instead of copying Apple and Tesla," LeEco co-founder and vice chairman Hank Liu told Reuters. "Our products are not upgraded from those that already exist. They are revolutionary ... products that never existed before."


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While the entry barrier has been lowered as electric cars are, mechanically, relatively simpler to produce, sceptics query how China's start-ups will fund and make tens of thousands of industry-changing EVs - from design through to procuring the 10,000 or so parts and systems needed for the finished product.

Daimler said Hubertus Troska, head of its Greater China business, was invited to LeEco last month to get to know the company and its business model.

"I told Mr. Troska we're going to redefine the car," Liu told Reuters. "EVs for us are just another screen. We see cars in the future as an extension of the Internet, another entry point for us to sell web-based content and services."


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Ding Lei, LeEco's auto chief and a former top official at General Motors' China venture with SAIC Motor , says part of LeEco's advantage in tomorrow's auto industry is that it carries no baggage from today's. Traditional automakers are too wedded to combustion engine technology to quickly jump to electric technology, he reckons.

"Look, this disruption can't come from traditional OEMs (automakers). But a company like us, we can go directly to pure electric cars."


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I'm not convinced, the Chinese are too repressed to innovate, they only imitate. Look up patents by country for the proof, CA has about 4x as many in 2015 than all of China.
 
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The Chinese have been contracting manufacturing for years thanks Bill Clinton for the sale of military secrets] . They have a trained workforce ,designers and the infrastructure to build most anything. It is smarter to copy a tested and proven device than to develop and test new products.
 
Anyone can talk big and be arrogant about what they can do. Why didn't they make the Tesla before the Tesla? Then there are those who say they don't care where it is made, whatever is best for ME. China loves that attitude they just need to lower the price. Then raise the price when others fall away. As is happening with tools now.
 
IMO electric cars are in the same place PC's were in the early 80's. It was okay that all the lower wage manufacturing went to China, India and South Korea because the US was going to produce high tech now with higher pay.
Well that worked out just ans planned didn't it, now the Chicoms are making them too, it was about a 12 year boom.

The replacement for those job has become McDonals and Burger King. The US, Japanese and Germans are going to do all the heavy R&D lifting and the Chicoms are going to steal it to mass produce them for 5c on the dollar.
The morons will fall over themselves to buy them. This is history repeating itself over and over again yet the majority of us still don't learn.
 
china started copying and pasting from big corp in the old days .now with so many genious on the web showing the basic viability its just a mather of adapting those for car ,once china know the trick for them its easy to optimise ,so yes i do see china as a major player in ev
 
Where are they running their on-road tests of their autonomous cars? Talking is always free and does not need any resources.
 
What is the point of a connected self-driving supercar? Will the lead vehicle occupant be able to brag about the great lap time the car just ran while he was posting on Facebook? What's the point of even leaving the house if all you want to do is be connected to the Internet?
 
Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
I'm not convinced, the Chinese are too repressed to innovate, they only imitate. Look up patents by country for the proof, CA has about 4x as many in 2015 than all of China.


Not entirely so. They have all the technology, manufacturing machinery, well educated, innovative engineers and so on. And if you look at the innovations coming from China, they are increasing exponentially. My prediction is that it won't be long before the West is completely surpassed in nearly all fields.

Travel to industrial/technology areas of China and you won't find an analog here in the states. They really are amazingly capable and smart. Building stuff we can't.

As for the automotive "bluster", I suspect they have a steep learning curve ahead. There is something to be said for tribal knowledge. The guy in the shop who knows how to do it right, regardless of what the computer says.
 
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They do produce impressively innovative and high quality products. None of them are available here. When I spoke to some of their executives, it became clear that they do not know how to take on the legacy market players in the US and succeed. One way for them is to acquire an American brand but there are a lot of hurdles for a Chinese company trying to buy an American company. I think most bids have failed when the Congress steps in and prevents it from happening.
 
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
"will dominate" is a pretty strong statement.

It's a very strong statement, but it was base on what the Chinese claimed:

"Double the performance at half the price."

"Our products are not upgraded from those that already exist. They are revolutionary ... products that never existed before."
 
Well, lets see what China has and doesn't have.
They don't have any manufacturing unions. They don't have an EPA. Their workers get little or no pension, insurance, dental or 401K. Their government doesn't have a real OSHA program. The American patent system is worthless in China. They really don't care about pollution. (My daughter has a college minor in the Chinese language and emails people in China. They are always amazed at how clear the American sky is and much beauty there is in an American sunset)
Now let's see what the U.S. has:
300 million people who really only care about getting their products cheaper.
Now who on this site wonders if the Chinese will dominate electric cars?
 
Reading this thread is a bit like going back forty years, but the upstart then was Japan.
People laughed at the tiny Civic and bizarre looking Nissan products of the time, just as ten years later the Germans laughed at the notion of some Toyota badged as a Lexus seriously challenging Mercedes.
Who's laughing now?
The Chinese have the technical knowledge, the manufacturing base and capital Elon Musk can only dream of.
Maybe this is something we should take seriously, without all of the fatuous sour grapes talk of stolen intellectual property and pennies an hour wages?
 
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