Like I said.....only a matter of time for EV's to be cost competitive

[Torrid]

Agreed, the only near solution that I have heard about to possibly overcome this is to lease the car for a time period whereby the lease expires the same time the battery warranty does.

What? You aren't getting 100k-150k miles leases.

 

[hemioiler]

EV's have 95% less moving parts than ICE....think about that one.....

Why? Of all the vehicles I've owned, none of have given me engine or transmission problems (the parts lacking on an EV).

Rust? Yep. Suspension? Yep. Ball joints and wheel bearings? Yep. Dead batteries, brakes? Yep. Etc.

All that stuff dies on an EV too.

 

[Torrid]

Why? Of all the vehicles I've owned, none of have given me engine or transmission problems (the parts lacking on an EV).

Rust? Yep. Suspension? Yep. Ball joints and wheel bearings? Yep. Dead batteries, brakes? Yep. Etc.

All that stuff dies on an EV too.

You don't change oil or service transmissions and differentials? That isn't cheap and any car company saying these are "lifetime fill" are lying to you. They'll either cost money to service or go out just beyond 100k miles.

 

[hemioiler]

You don't change oil or service transmissions and differentials? That isn't cheap and any car company saying these are "lifetime fill" are lying to you. They'll either cost money to service or go out just beyond 100k miles.

I definitely service this. And I get what you're saying but TCO isn't going to be as simple as assuming less parts = lower TCO.

My needs come first, and I need a truck. There is no way I'm sitting in some parking lot on the side of the highway waiting for a charger station to become available. There are way too few of those compared to gas/diesel, and they need like 10 times more "spots" than filling stations because it takes 10 times longer to "fill up" etc.

 

[E365]

Just heard on Fox that the Chevy Bolt dropped from 40 to $33K. Still not interested, but I do pay attention.

Not sure where they get their info, but the Bolt started at $37,495 in 2017 and has only gone down from there.

It’s currently $26,500 and is eligible for the full $7,500 tax rebate. $19,000 for the base model right now (for qualified buyers.)

 

[alarmguy]

That's definitely not true. I'm waiting for a performance compact with real range. Everything I'm wanting is much bigger.

I’m confused by your reply

 

[alarmguy]

Not sure where they get their info, but the Bolt started at $37,495 in 2017 and has only gone down from there.

It’s currently $26,500 and is eligible for the full $7,500 tax rebate. $19,000 for the base model right now (for qualified buyers.)

You are 100% correct,

 

[Torrid]

I’m confused by your reply

Name me a performance EV hatch. Like a single one. The Bolt isn't one and everything else is larger or not a performance car.

 

[alarmguy]

Name me a performance EV hatch. Like a single one. The Bolt isn't one and everything else is larger or not a performance car.

I guess we differ on what a compact car is.
The Model 3 is one such example of a compact.
I wasn’t talking about performance at all and I’m not sure why you are asking me.

I don’t know if any size EVs in the size class of a Chevy SUV like the Traverse with 3 row seating that can tow 5000 LBS and cost $40,000
I don’t know if any exist EVs like that anywhere near that price. Well yes I do know, they don’t exist and even if they did the range is a handicap

 

[Torrid]

I guess we differ on what a compact car is.
The Model 3 is one such example of a compact

The Model 3 is a big car. I have one. It's more than a foot longer than my GTI. The Model 3 is between a Corolla and Camry in length.

I only bring up performance because that's my barrier to buy a small one. I want a small EV, but I want it to be fun, not like watching paint dry like a Bolt.

 

[alarmguy]

The Model 3 is a big car. I have one. It's more than a foot longer than my GTI. The Model 3 is between a Corolla and Camry in length.

Model 3 classified as a compact car (fact)
Any search engine is easy to check

GTI born out of the subcompact Golf

 

[Torrid]

It’s classified as a compact car

Something must have changed in classification because less than 5 years ago this would have been a midsize and on the larger end of that. Looks like it's considered a full size in Europe.

 

[alarmguy]

Something must have changed in classification because less than 5 years ago this would have been a midsize and on the larger end of that. Looks like it's considered a full size in Europe.

Well, I can’t comment on Europe I mean they always drove around in tin cans over there!
I am not knocking the GTI. You know I like them.
I’m also not knocking the Model 3 I’m just calling it as it’s classified because my posts were based on a three row SUV in the towing discussion that I was in.
Which the Traverse is s monster next to them perfect for my uses but smaller car for our second car always

 

[UncleDave]

Mid sized.

 

[UncleDave]

Something must have changed in classification because less than 5 years ago this would have been a midsize and on the larger end of that. Looks like it's considered a full size in Europe.

It didnt.

Mid sized cars are defined as having a min of 110 Cu Ft of interior volume.

 

[Torrid]

Well, I can’t comment on Europe I mean they always drove around in tin cans over there!
I am not knocking the GTI. You know I like them.
I’m also not knocking the Model 3 I’m just calling it as it’s classified because my posts were based on a three row SUV in the towing discussion that I was in.
Which the Traverse is s monster next to them perfect for my uses but smaller car for our second car always

I don't disagree with that, The Traverse is much larger.

 

[SC Maintenance]

EV's have 95% less moving parts than ICE....think about that one.....

EV's have a ton more copper, cobalt, Manganese and Nickel. There are very long supply chains for those in a quickly deglobalizing world.

Forget the infotainment and you can make a typical ICE with almost exclusively North American Sourced raw materials.

I just don't see there being enough of these resources for everyone to have an EV, nor enough electric grid either. I would like a small cheap EV for around town - the Bolt is getting close - but I won't be getting rid of any of my ICE vehicles either.

 

[PimTac]

EV's have 95% less moving parts than ICE....think about that one.....

That’s an apples to durian comparison.

 

[CKN]

That’s an apples to durian comparison.

I just looked up the definition of "durian". And your post still doesn't make sense.......Simplicity is 95% less moving parts-and they don't "smell".

 

[CKN]

EV's have a ton more copper, cobalt, Manganese and Nickel. There are very long supply chains for those in a quickly deglobalizing world.

Forget the infotainment and you can make a typical ICE with almost exclusively North American Sourced raw materials.

II dont just don't see there being enough of these resources for everyone to have an EV, nor enough electric grid either. I would like a small cheap EV for around town - the Bolt is getting close - but I won't be getting rid of any of my ICE vehicles either.

I don't see manufacturers spending literally billions without having your concerns in mind. Would seem nonsensical to be gearing up for EVs for the masses and not having materials (under normal circumstances) available to manufacture of your spending billions on to make/get ready for production.

The objections to EVs keep getting thrown on to the walls here on this forum-yet when looking beyond to what make sense-isn't sticking to the walls.

BTW-I think all of us would be surprised at non U.S. parts in vehicles manufactured here. The of course you have some of Americas most popular vehicles that are made in Mexico.