Originally Posted by ekpolk
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by kaesees
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It's everyone's choice whether to dump the factory fill early. The OP made his choice one way and he's glad he did so, while I'm glad I chose the other way; at the end of the day it looks like we both have engines in good working order.
Exactly correct. Besides, the factory fill oil is most times 2-3 times as strong as what you are replacing it with during the 2nd OCI.
To all the people here in this thread worried about metal shavings and such, there's very little of that anymore.
These engines today are not your dad's engines. We now live in the Digital Computers Age. But go ahead, waste $25.......
You say, "exactly correct" to the guy who acknowledges that, "it's everyone's choice whether to dump the factory fill early." And then disparage those who do. Not very consistent. . .
Yes, we all understand that it's 2019, and manufacturing has advanced. No, there's not a coal-fired steam plant outside the factory powering the machines that make our horseless carriages. . . Engine making is certainly clean and precise, like never before. As for the left in debris and early-generated debris, you say,
"there's very little of that anymore" -- right in the middle of a thread where photos establish conclusively that that's exactly what happened. Cleaner than days of old, sure. Immaculate -- we have a ways to go. . .
Recent history plainly shows that this question really isn't all that critical, at least in the short term. With today's good oils and a decent filter, even a "dirty" new engine should survive OK. But people who join this site aren't here to search out the "merely sufficient." kaesees is right -- it's everyone's choice, as we all strive to do the best we can for our cars. As long as results like this one keep popping up, you're going to have an uphill battle making the "it's a waste" case.
I'm willing to bet that the factory fill is the same oil you can buy off the shelf. There is nothing special about it. In a few examples the factory fill may have more moly but you can also buy that same exact oil yourself as well.