Leave a car running while refueling

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Interesting. I'm not sure when the last time I saw full service was. Heck, it was an oddity/rarity when I started buying gas, and that was in '93 or so. Then again, I've lived mostly rural all my life.

It was a shock years ago to find that NY had disabled the latch mechanism on their pumps. I don't think I found the sign that said to not shove the gas cap into the handle until after the pump had shut off... Oops. I generally avoid stations that disable that feature.
 
When gas was $0.20 - $0.25 / gallon, people were pretty careless about spilling it everywhere, and it was so volatile, it would evaporate almost immediately.

Now that it's moderately expensive, people are a lot more careful about not spilling it. And the volatility is so low, it takes forever to evaporate even on a hot summer day.

When gas doubled in the early 70's from the first Arab oil embargo from the low 20's to low 40's per gallon, people were ready to riot.
 
I never do, always shut it off.

I doubt there's much risk in doing it while running though. Exhaust is still hot when recently shut off. Systems are pretty well sealed anymore.

But it's what I was taught to do, what legal signage says to do, and just "feels" right. We don't have any vapor retention equipment in Nebraska yet.. not that the lack of has led me to any certain ways of doing things.
 
statistically, the risk is probably buried beneath a myriad of other things that are more likely to harm.

I think the OP may be asking for the "how could it happen?" he's mentioned it a couple of times.

1. gas vapor from fueling process, or spilled fuel on the ground becomes the flame source. VAPOR is the far more dangerous, as liquid unleaded is actually stubborn to light.

2. sources of ignition kick it off. Easy ones are cigarettes, static discharge.

I think newer vehicles provide less opportunity for ignition sources than old. When is the last time you heard backfiring from burnt/leaky valves, or through-the carb (true) backfiring that we used to have years ago? My old chevy would occasionally burp flames through the air cleaner.

There are still risks. my mower usually has a pronounced backfire 5-10 seconds after shutting it off, after the engine stops spinning. it's new-ish.

The newer vehicles tend to have no distributors, and relays tend to be sealed in a box.

List of possible sources obviously include cats, arcing relays, switches, motor brushes. Cats are hot. Any exh leaks, especially at the manifold, would be a big risk. Plenty of late model vehicles are still known for manifold cracks.

It would be far more likely that a vehicle with a fault, such as arcing plug wires, loose connections carrying real power, would be a potential spark source, than a newer, healthy ride.

Nearby OPE, especially if the spark arrester has been removed.

Gas station mechanicals or wiring.

Static discharge from nearby electrics... motors, HVAC contactors, Car wash contactors, static off of metal halide lamps, etc...

and the vapors would have to be concentrated enough.... minimal wind, humid conditions making it slower to stratify.... which also makes static discharge harder to happen.

it would take the right conditions...

Still, I shut mine off. If the car isn't moving, I power it down. Outside of the safety... it's my money idling away.
 
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Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
Honestly what could go wrong?


I used to do it. But, why increase your odds that something could go wrong? Odds are in your favor that nothing will go wrong. But why take the additional chance? Not worth it IMO. Fuel fed fires can be really nasty.
 
Not turning your car off when fueling is about the same as refusing to turn your phone off on the plane before takeoff. The risk of anything happening is probably next to nothing, but if you don't comply you sure look like a real jerk.
 
Originally Posted By: BrianWC
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: eljefino

I'm going to stand out on a ledge and say these restrictions came out when self-serve gas pumping came out in 1980 to fight oil price inflation.


Didn't self-serve exist prior to then? I was kinda in diapers then and not really observing...


Yes and no. There were stations but nothing like what was spurred by the oil shocks. I remember when I was a kid we had 3 self-serve stations in my little town of 16k people. And even those had someone to sell tires, belts, and oil in a pinch...


I was working service stations when the transition was being made in Oz, at the same time as leaded was being phased out, and benzene, toluene and xylene were going in to replace it.

It was explained to me by my manager that it was a move to avoid having a guy standing for 8+ hours per day breathing in aromatics at many times the OH&S safe limits...(At the time, Sydney was recording streetside benzine levels higher than the OH&S 8 hour limits, as cats were not yet common).

A drive filling up a couple of time per week had less exposure/risk than a pump jockey.
 
All in all I think a nice "rule" or law. It is miserable sucking up the exhaust of other folks vehicles.
 
Interestingly, it seems to be that re-entering/re-exiting the vehicle is what causes the static electricity that ignites gasoline vapors, liquid gasoline is not that flammable, it's the vapor that ignites (and yes, I would drive on if I saw GreeCguy smoking at the pump...too many vapors near that filler neck).

http://www.pei.org/Portals/0/resources/documents/Refueling Fire Incidents.pdf

So, if the OP doesn't want to follow the posted laws about shutting off the vehicle, he can at least reduce his risk by NOT re-entering the vehicle while it is filling.

For the record, even when I shut them off on a hot summer day, I don't find the amount of temperature increase on any of my vehicles to be objectionable.

Besides if you leave your car running when you fill up - HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CHECK YOUR OIL LEVEL?!?!
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Besides if you leave your car running when you fill up - HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CHECK YOUR OIL LEVEL?!?!

OP drives a Saturn. He just blindly dumps a quart of oil into the engine at every fill-up and calls it a day.
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
OP drives a Saturn. He just blindly dumps a quart of oil into the engine at every fill-up and calls it a day.
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I laugh because that's how it was for our SL1 when we sold it..

At least the Ion won't be as bad.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Besides if you leave your car running when you fill up - HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CHECK YOUR OIL LEVEL?!?!

OP drives a Saturn. He just blindly dumps a quart of oil into the engine at every fill-up and calls it a day.
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lol. my 2.2 ecotec doesnt burn a drop. my wifes T&C on the other hand....
 
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: eljefino

I'm going to stand out on a ledge and say these restrictions came out when self-serve gas pumping came out in 1980 to fight oil price inflation.


Didn't self-serve exist prior to then? I was kinda in diapers then and not really observing...


I don't really remember when self serve started. I do know in the late 70's when I started driving, there were several self serve stations that I visited because they were cheaper. I also worked at a gas station, (Gulf Gas) and before anyone could pump gas, you had to clear the pump with a little key that would set all the numbers back to zero, so you're average Joe couldn't self serve even if he wanted to. Working there, we not only pumped gas, but washed the wind shield and checked the oil. That was before the now famous Florida "Love bugs."
 
in 1975 all the new car/trucks had to have a catalytic converter. but the government made the jeep maker make jeeps for the forestry without cats. like all ways rules for you, different, rules for me.
 
The Ion shouldn't fall into reverse.

Column shift Fords had a habit of falling out of Park and into Reverse for a few years.

The recall was to affix this sticker to the dash:
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So you are filling your 1980 Fairmont with the engine running (no evap code LOL!) and it falls into reverse. Next thing you know you are chasing your boxy Ford across the parking lot while it drags the remainder of the gas hose behind.
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