Larger Luxury Sedans

[Spazdog]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd


I must be mistaken about the transmission. It was certainly a 2.7L; it must have been a 4A instead of a 5A. Even the 2.7L would lay some scratch around a corner in that 300 I rented. Not much of a scratch, but some!


I didn't have a very good opinion of the 2.7 to begin with. I'm a pretty consistent Chrysler defender, but not for that engine.

Then I had a ghetto dumb-dumb in a 2.7 300 with 20"+ wheels, giant muffler tip dual exhaust and a Bentley styled grill/headlights/badges try to race me.

He was winding that thing up as high as it would rev. My Mazda was upshifting at about 3500 rpm. Just keeping pace with him.

Yeah, he "won". I don't even think I was half throttle.

It had to be a 2.7...my friend had a 3.5 Charger. (still does I guess, his daughter drives it) It keeps up with my Mazda pretty well for it's weight.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The market never lies...

Correct. But you have to admit it doesn't answer all questions forthrightly.

Granted. Hyundai/Kia for a short reply!

 

[Vikas]

This is today's SAT quiz

Find one entry in this list which does not belong
Quote:

CPO BMW 7 Series -
Tesla Model S -
CPO Jaguar XJ Supercharged
Audi A7 and S7 -
Dodge SRT8

Can we just stop this stupid bickering?

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
This is today's SAT quiz

Find one entry in this list which does not belong
Quote:

CPO BMW 7 Series -
Tesla Model S -
CPO Jaguar XJ Supercharged
Audi A7 and S7 -
Dodge SRT8

Can we just stop this stupid bickering?


Yes. We can.

But only if you help.

 

[hattaresguy]

This thread was shot, I know their are some Dodge fans here but they need to tone it back a bit.

 

[Vikas]

I helped by being staying out of this topic for seven pages!

Now I am waiting for somebody to add the new Impala to this list given its glowing review from CR

Then we can get 7 more pages of continued diatribe diatribe about GM bankruptcy and Guumit Motors.

 

[Spazdog]

Too late!

I mentioned it's platform siblings already. LaCrosse and XTS

 

[HTSS_TR]

Of all the current 4-door cars within 25% of the target price of $80k, the Tesla S is my prefer sedan.

Since Tesla S is an EV vehicle therefore it can use car pool lane in CA even with only driver in the car after getting a sticker from DMV.

 

[01rangerxl]

Originally Posted By: Vikas


Now I am waiting for somebody to add the new Impala to this list given its glowing review from CR



I think the OP should buy a new Impala. It's a great car for $40,000. I hope a donk lift kit comes out for it soon.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
This thread was shot, I know their are some Dodge fans here but they need to tone it back a bit.


Just like the psuedo-german-philes that drive pickups but yearn for a Brabus?

I believe it was you who once said good things about my car relative to its ancestry.

Anyone who doesn't believe that the 3 flavors of SRT8 I touted (there are actually 4) can't compete with a CPO 7 series is simply ignorant of the facts that most car buyers use to develop an interest in cars.

Purely ignorant brand bashing.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
I helped by being staying out of this topic for seven pages!

Now I am waiting for somebody to add the new Impala to this list given its glowing review from CR

Then we can get 7 more pages of continued diatribe diatribe about GM bankruptcy and Guumit Motors.


Oh well, if you think you're going to start dictating to me or anyone else you may have this coming...

Does anyone even remember the OP's list? CPO 7 series? CPO Jag XJ? The SRT8 easily outperforms either of those in standard form. Get a high priced V8 XJ and you can at least keep up. Performance is what folks are looking for in this segment, and any quick perusal of the FACTS as opposed to the ignorant idiotic "gang up" brand bias will show you that the SRT8 models do measure up well. Especially when you compare brand new cars to used ones!!!

I spend time at road courses where the wheat is quickly separated from the chaff. There, cars like mine are outrunning much more expensive cars regularly. I have personally taught quite a few folks to respect the brand, but some are going to reject it no matter what.

Doesn't change the facts. OP still gets to buy what he wants and some here are still ignorant and will bash a brand no matter what. Go get 'em!

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
This is today's SAT quiz

Find one entry in this list which does not belong
Quote:

CPO BMW 7 Series -
Tesla Model S -
CPO Jaguar XJ Supercharged
Audi A7 and S7 -
Dodge SRT8

Can we just stop this stupid bickering?


Easy: the Tesla.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Does any car co still even make a true luxury sedan anymore? Luxury cars to me,are the ones that feel like you`re driving from your living room sofa. Quiet,plush,soft ride,lots of room. Lincoln Towncars,Buick Park Avenues,etc.

Are true luxury cars getting phased out? Just a sign of the times I guess.

 

[Spazdog]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Does any car co still even make a true luxury sedan anymore? Luxury cars to me,are the ones that feel like you`re driving from your living room sofa. Quiet,plush,soft ride,lots of room. Lincoln Towncars,Buick Park Avenues,etc.


Maybe that's the purpose of the XTS.

I don't know. I haven't driven one yet. I can't figure out why the base model fwd XTS is more than a well equipped AWD LaCrosse

 

[d00df00d]

Modern luxury cars have all of the good features of a Town Car or a Park Avenue, with none of the downsides.

They ride better because they don't flop around. They have just as much if not more interior room. Their seats are better. They are easier to drive because they obey the driver's commands more predictably. They have no odd suspension quirks. They are just as quiet, or even quieter. They perform better in every way.

If that means they're not "true luxury cars," I don't know what that phrase could possibly mean...

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Modern luxury cars have all of the good features of a Town Car or a Park Avenue, with none of the downsides.


I have NEVER been in any car built after 1996 that took grade crossings, expansion joints, broken pavement, or high manholes even HALF as well as a non-P71 Panther car! In a Town Car or a Grand Marquis, I could take a grade crossing at 50 and barely feel it...where my Cherokee gives a jarring SLAM! at 35, and even my Magnum gave a serious jolt.

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They ride better because they don't flop around. They have just as much if not more interior room. Their seats are better. They are easier to drive because they obey the driver's commands more predictably. They have no odd suspension quirks. They are just as quiet, or even quieter. They perform better in every way.


On good tires, a Town Car is bank-vault silent at 80MPH...just faint wind noise past the mirrors and the muted hum of the engine loafing at ~2000RPM.

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If that means they're not "true luxury cars," I don't know what that phrase could possibly mean...

Smooth, quiet, isolated ride.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Modern luxury cars have all of the good features of a Town Car or a Park Avenue, with none of the downsides.

I remember one of the magazine blurbs about the 1990 era Town Car, like the one I had. They mentioned that the vehicle could haul six people, thanks to the bench seats, and the trunk could hold six sets of golf clubs, too.

There aren't many cars that can do that any longer.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
I have NEVER been in any car built after 1996 that took grade crossings, expansion joints, broken pavement, or high manholes even HALF as well as a non-P71 Panther car!

Sorry to hear that. Sounds like you've been missing out.


Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
On good tires, a Town Car is bank-vault silent at 80MPH...just faint wind noise past the mirrors and the muted hum of the engine loafing at ~2000RPM.

So is literally every single large German sedan made in the past 20 years.


...But you know you're beating a dead horse here, right? Everyone agrees that a Town car is quiet and soaks up bumps well. The reason it can't compete with a real modern luxury car is that there's nothing ELSE it does well.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: Garak
I remember one of the magazine blurbs about the 1990 era Town Car, like the one I had. They mentioned that the vehicle could haul six people, thanks to the bench seats, and the trunk could hold six sets of golf clubs, too.

There aren't many cars that can do that any longer.

True.

You know WHY that is, don't you?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
I have NEVER been in any car built after 1996 that took grade crossings, expansion joints, broken pavement, or high manholes even HALF as well as a non-P71 Panther car!

Sorry to hear that. Sounds like you've been missing out.


No. Nothing else offers that level of isolation anymore.

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Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
On good tires, a Town Car is bank-vault silent at 80MPH...just faint wind noise past the mirrors and the muted hum of the engine loafing at ~2000RPM.

So is literally every single large German sedan made in the past 20 years.

...But you know you're beating a dead horse here, right? Everyone agrees that a Town car is quiet and soaks up bumps well. The reason it can't compete with a real modern luxury car is that there's nothing ELSE it does well.


It will swallow four big guys, four big suitcases, pull down 25+MPG on the highway...and do this with over 500,000 miles on the clock! Big, comfortable, and absolutely bulletproof...I personally preferred the P71's when I drove livery cars, but the Town Cars were every bit as tough. (One had 580K when I left and was finally retired with 650K due to a cracked frame.)