Larger Luxury Sedans
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Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Modern luxury cars have all of the good features of a Town Car or a Park Avenue, with none of the downsides.
I have NEVER been in any car built after 1996 that took grade crossings, expansion joints, broken pavement, or high manholes even HALF as well as a non-P71 Panther car! In a Town Car or a Grand Marquis, I could take a grade crossing at 50 and barely feel it...where my Cherokee gives a jarring SLAM! at 35, and even my Magnum gave a serious jolt.
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They ride better because they don't flop around. They have just as much if not more interior room. Their seats are better. They are easier to drive because they obey the driver's commands more predictably. They have no odd suspension quirks. They are just as quiet, or even quieter. They perform better in every way.
On good tires, a Town Car is bank-vault silent at 80MPH...just faint wind noise past the mirrors and the muted hum of the engine loafing at ~2000RPM.
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If that means they're not "true luxury cars," I don't know what that phrase could possibly mean...
Smooth, quiet, isolated ride.
I agree with jarlaxle. Imo a true luxury sedan isn't supposed to have the ride and storage of a sportscar. I've driven many different makes,models,price ranges,etc,and nothing compares to the comfort and luxury of a Town Car. Luxury cars aren't supposed to corner like they're on rails,leave that for the sportscars.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Modern luxury cars have all of the good features of a Town Car or a Park Avenue, with none of the downsides.
I have NEVER been in any car built after 1996 that took grade crossings, expansion joints, broken pavement, or high manholes even HALF as well as a non-P71 Panther car! In a Town Car or a Grand Marquis, I could take a grade crossing at 50 and barely feel it...where my Cherokee gives a jarring SLAM! at 35, and even my Magnum gave a serious jolt.
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They ride better because they don't flop around. They have just as much if not more interior room. Their seats are better. They are easier to drive because they obey the driver's commands more predictably. They have no odd suspension quirks. They are just as quiet, or even quieter. They perform better in every way.
On good tires, a Town Car is bank-vault silent at 80MPH...just faint wind noise past the mirrors and the muted hum of the engine loafing at ~2000RPM.
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If that means they're not "true luxury cars," I don't know what that phrase could possibly mean...
Smooth, quiet, isolated ride.
I agree with jarlaxle. Imo a true luxury sedan isn't supposed to have the ride and storage of a sportscar. I've driven many different makes,models,price ranges,etc,and nothing compares to the comfort and luxury of a Town Car. Luxury cars aren't supposed to corner like they're on rails,leave that for the sportscars.
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
This is probably a matter of syntax.
This Wikipedia article says that the LX "shares components derived from the W211 E-Class". Some probably take that to mean, possibly incorrectly, that such components were plucked straight from the W211 parts bin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_300
It was the W210 not the W211, and there were two components that were "borrowed" from the W210: the steering column (and related switch gear) and the front seat architecture. That's it. Absolutely nothing from the W210 platform was used either directly or indirectly to produce the LX. NONE of the hard points are the same. Look at the gas tank placement on the LX vs the W210, for Pete's sake.
This is probably a matter of syntax.
This Wikipedia article says that the LX "shares components derived from the W211 E-Class". Some probably take that to mean, possibly incorrectly, that such components were plucked straight from the W211 parts bin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_300
It was the W210 not the W211, and there were two components that were "borrowed" from the W210: the steering column (and related switch gear) and the front seat architecture. That's it. Absolutely nothing from the W210 platform was used either directly or indirectly to produce the LX. NONE of the hard points are the same. Look at the gas tank placement on the LX vs the W210, for Pete's sake.
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I agree with jarlaxle. Imo a true luxury sedan isn't supposed to have the ride and storage of a sportscar. I've driven many different makes,models,price ranges,etc,and nothing compares to the comfort and luxury of a Town Car. Luxury cars aren't supposed to corner like they're on rails,leave that for the sportscars.
Modern luxury cars ride smoothly and quietly, AND corner like they're on rails.
The really high end ones are smoothER and quietER than a Town Car, and they STILL corner like they're on rails.
Why on earth is this so difficult? It's almost like you guys are stuck in the 1980s. Good handling and a soft ride are not mutually exclusive any more. They haven't been for years. Good luxury cars nowadays have both.
I agree with jarlaxle. Imo a true luxury sedan isn't supposed to have the ride and storage of a sportscar. I've driven many different makes,models,price ranges,etc,and nothing compares to the comfort and luxury of a Town Car. Luxury cars aren't supposed to corner like they're on rails,leave that for the sportscars.
Modern luxury cars ride smoothly and quietly, AND corner like they're on rails.
The really high end ones are smoothER and quietER than a Town Car, and they STILL corner like they're on rails.
Why on earth is this so difficult? It's almost like you guys are stuck in the 1980s. Good handling and a soft ride are not mutually exclusive any more. They haven't been for years. Good luxury cars nowadays have both.
I honestly think the Panther platform cars rode like a 1/2 ton pickup truck with about 1500 lbs in the bed.
I'm not saying it as a bad thing, or a good thing, just an observation. They drive like live rear axle cars with very floaty suspension and soft bushings... for better or worse.
A 7-series BMW, for example, will swallow potholes with more ease and less noise than a Town Car, and will drive circles around it on a road course or track.
I'm not saying it as a bad thing, or a good thing, just an observation. They drive like live rear axle cars with very floaty suspension and soft bushings... for better or worse.
A 7-series BMW, for example, will swallow potholes with more ease and less noise than a Town Car, and will drive circles around it on a road course or track.
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
The issue with Ford car bench seats is that there was so much arm rest. They perfected bench seats with the 60/40s in the trucks. Storage, one large arm rest that doubles as a small table, cup holder(s). Those seats are more appropriate for a truck though.
Yes, my Lightning had the more "acceptable" split bench that felt like buckets and had the storage. The Town Car had the living room sofa front split bench with two skinny armrests.
@d00df00d: I'll have to see if I can dig up the the decibel stats for the 1990 Town Car and compare it up the years. I do know that for 1990, it was tied for the quietest interior in history up to that time, with a similar vintage Lexus of some sort. Even the later high end Benzes with the dual pane glass were not significantly ahead in that regard.
Of course, they were floaty and didn't handle great. The seats had no support whatsoever, so it's a good thing they weren't on rails. And mostly geezers drove them. If the things came factory with a 70 mph governor, hardly anyone would have noticed.
The issue with Ford car bench seats is that there was so much arm rest. They perfected bench seats with the 60/40s in the trucks. Storage, one large arm rest that doubles as a small table, cup holder(s). Those seats are more appropriate for a truck though.
Yes, my Lightning had the more "acceptable" split bench that felt like buckets and had the storage. The Town Car had the living room sofa front split bench with two skinny armrests.
@d00df00d: I'll have to see if I can dig up the the decibel stats for the 1990 Town Car and compare it up the years. I do know that for 1990, it was tied for the quietest interior in history up to that time, with a similar vintage Lexus of some sort. Even the later high end Benzes with the dual pane glass were not significantly ahead in that regard.
Of course, they were floaty and didn't handle great. The seats had no support whatsoever, so it's a good thing they weren't on rails. And mostly geezers drove them. If the things came factory with a 70 mph governor, hardly anyone would have noticed.
Originally Posted By: cchase
I honestly think the Panther platform cars rode like a 1/2 ton pickup truck with about 1500 lbs in the bed.
I'm not saying it as a bad thing, or a good thing, just an observation. They drive like live rear axle cars with very floaty suspension and soft bushings... for better or worse.
A 7-series BMW, for example, will swallow potholes with more ease and less noise than a Town Car, and will drive circles around it on a road course or track.
A 7-series will not take a grade crossing at 50 with barely a bump, soak up a low expansion joint at 75, or glide over a chewed-up cobblestone street with the passengers barely noticing it.
It CERTAINLY won't do so after 580,000 miles!
I honestly think the Panther platform cars rode like a 1/2 ton pickup truck with about 1500 lbs in the bed.
I'm not saying it as a bad thing, or a good thing, just an observation. They drive like live rear axle cars with very floaty suspension and soft bushings... for better or worse.
A 7-series BMW, for example, will swallow potholes with more ease and less noise than a Town Car, and will drive circles around it on a road course or track.
A 7-series will not take a grade crossing at 50 with barely a bump, soak up a low expansion joint at 75, or glide over a chewed-up cobblestone street with the passengers barely noticing it.
It CERTAINLY won't do so after 580,000 miles!
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: cchase
I honestly think the Panther platform cars rode like a 1/2 ton pickup truck with about 1500 lbs in the bed.
I'm not saying it as a bad thing, or a good thing, just an observation. They drive like live rear axle cars with very floaty suspension and soft bushings... for better or worse.
A 7-series BMW, for example, will swallow potholes with more ease and less noise than a Town Car, and will drive circles around it on a road course or track.
A 7-series will not take a grade crossing at 50 with barely a bump, soak up a low expansion joint at 75, or glide over a chewed-up cobblestone street with the passengers barely noticing it.
It CERTAINLY won't do so after 580,000 miles!
If you are buying or paying for a Larger Luxury Sedan (which the original topic is about), why would you keep it after 580k?
I think people that are buying it after 580k (likely for commercial purposes like Taxi or Limo) are not the same people that buy it new for their own driving.
Originally Posted By: cchase
I honestly think the Panther platform cars rode like a 1/2 ton pickup truck with about 1500 lbs in the bed.
I'm not saying it as a bad thing, or a good thing, just an observation. They drive like live rear axle cars with very floaty suspension and soft bushings... for better or worse.
A 7-series BMW, for example, will swallow potholes with more ease and less noise than a Town Car, and will drive circles around it on a road course or track.
A 7-series will not take a grade crossing at 50 with barely a bump, soak up a low expansion joint at 75, or glide over a chewed-up cobblestone street with the passengers barely noticing it.
It CERTAINLY won't do so after 580,000 miles!
If you are buying or paying for a Larger Luxury Sedan (which the original topic is about), why would you keep it after 580k?
I think people that are buying it after 580k (likely for commercial purposes like Taxi or Limo) are not the same people that buy it new for their own driving.
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Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: cchase
I honestly think the Panther platform cars rode like a 1/2 ton pickup truck with about 1500 lbs in the bed.
I'm not saying it as a bad thing, or a good thing, just an observation. They drive like live rear axle cars with very floaty suspension and soft bushings... for better or worse.
A 7-series BMW, for example, will swallow potholes with more ease and less noise than a Town Car, and will drive circles around it on a road course or track.
A 7-series will not take a grade crossing at 50 with barely a bump, soak up a low expansion joint at 75, or glide over a chewed-up cobblestone street with the passengers barely noticing it.
It CERTAINLY won't do so after 580,000 miles!
^^I agree with jarlaxle again.
Originally Posted By: cchase
I honestly think the Panther platform cars rode like a 1/2 ton pickup truck with about 1500 lbs in the bed.
I'm not saying it as a bad thing, or a good thing, just an observation. They drive like live rear axle cars with very floaty suspension and soft bushings... for better or worse.
A 7-series BMW, for example, will swallow potholes with more ease and less noise than a Town Car, and will drive circles around it on a road course or track.
A 7-series will not take a grade crossing at 50 with barely a bump, soak up a low expansion joint at 75, or glide over a chewed-up cobblestone street with the passengers barely noticing it.
It CERTAINLY won't do so after 580,000 miles!
^^I agree with jarlaxle again.
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: cchase
I honestly think the Panther platform cars rode like a 1/2 ton pickup truck with about 1500 lbs in the bed.
I'm not saying it as a bad thing, or a good thing, just an observation. They drive like live rear axle cars with very floaty suspension and soft bushings... for better or worse.
A 7-series BMW, for example, will swallow potholes with more ease and less noise than a Town Car, and will drive circles around it on a road course or track.
A 7-series will not take a grade crossing at 50 with barely a bump, soak up a low expansion joint at 75, or glide over a chewed-up cobblestone street with the passengers barely noticing it.
It CERTAINLY won't do so after 580,000 miles!
If you are buying or paying for a Larger Luxury Sedan (which the original topic is about), why would you keep it after 580k?
I think people that are buying it after 580k (likely for commercial purposes like Taxi or Limo) are not the same people that buy it new for their own driving.
Actually, the car was bought with 11 miles on it. It was retired due to a cracked frame with 650,000. Technically, it is a one-owner car!
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: cchase
I honestly think the Panther platform cars rode like a 1/2 ton pickup truck with about 1500 lbs in the bed.
I'm not saying it as a bad thing, or a good thing, just an observation. They drive like live rear axle cars with very floaty suspension and soft bushings... for better or worse.
A 7-series BMW, for example, will swallow potholes with more ease and less noise than a Town Car, and will drive circles around it on a road course or track.
A 7-series will not take a grade crossing at 50 with barely a bump, soak up a low expansion joint at 75, or glide over a chewed-up cobblestone street with the passengers barely noticing it.
It CERTAINLY won't do so after 580,000 miles!
If you are buying or paying for a Larger Luxury Sedan (which the original topic is about), why would you keep it after 580k?
I think people that are buying it after 580k (likely for commercial purposes like Taxi or Limo) are not the same people that buy it new for their own driving.
Actually, the car was bought with 11 miles on it. It was retired due to a cracked frame with 650,000. Technically, it is a one-owner car!
Originally Posted By: andyd
I would get either a Town Car or a Grand Marquise. Less gadgetry to replace. The newer, larger BMWs need 1500$ of cooling system parts before 100k. Should you put off this PM, you are risking an engine meltdown. No comment on Jag or Japanese wheels. My daughter's '06 Corolla is a great little car, but it more of an appliance. I know, my age is showing, but, to me, Luxo barges are RWD. They have a V8 or a big I6. Who cares how many speeds the automatic has? As long as you can cruise at 80 in air conditioned leather. Or idle along at 45.
I think I agree. I had a BMW 7 series. It was a good car--for my 8K per year. Yep the radiator blew up. Repairs were weird. Some were reasonable--others not. Have a Marquis, too, and think its a more reliable choice----but, you won't get a good price on one unless its worn out.
I don't think used cars are a very good deal right now, except maybe sports cars, which of course are a non-starter for you. I'd bite the bullet and get a new car with a cheap loan and a decent down payment. Almost always used cars are a better deal, almost. Just not now.
I would get either a Town Car or a Grand Marquise. Less gadgetry to replace. The newer, larger BMWs need 1500$ of cooling system parts before 100k. Should you put off this PM, you are risking an engine meltdown. No comment on Jag or Japanese wheels. My daughter's '06 Corolla is a great little car, but it more of an appliance. I know, my age is showing, but, to me, Luxo barges are RWD. They have a V8 or a big I6. Who cares how many speeds the automatic has? As long as you can cruise at 80 in air conditioned leather. Or idle along at 45.
I think I agree. I had a BMW 7 series. It was a good car--for my 8K per year. Yep the radiator blew up. Repairs were weird. Some were reasonable--others not. Have a Marquis, too, and think its a more reliable choice----but, you won't get a good price on one unless its worn out.
I don't think used cars are a very good deal right now, except maybe sports cars, which of course are a non-starter for you. I'd bite the bullet and get a new car with a cheap loan and a decent down payment. Almost always used cars are a better deal, almost. Just not now.
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Win said:Wow, is this thread ever a trainwreck.[/quote
Want to see a train wreck? Start a thread asking which of the big three pickups to buy!
And no, everyone, I'm not asking. That's hypothetical! I have a truck and don't need another.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Win said:Want to see a train wreck? Start a thread asking which of the big three pickups to buy!
Better yet...a Top Tier fuel thread!
Originally Posted By: Maximus1966
Better yet...a Top Tier fuel thread!
That, too, or even better, let's start one about which truck to buy and whether it should use Top Tier, regular gasoline, or E-85.
Better yet...a Top Tier fuel thread!
That, too, or even better, let's start one about which truck to buy and whether it should use Top Tier, regular gasoline, or E-85.
I'm in no real rush to buy but I think my short list is:
Tesla
Audi A7
Infiniti M35h
The Infiniti is attractive from a price perspective but I'm attracted by the cargo capacity of the Audi as well as the Tesla. I may regret the lack of cargo capacity in the Infiniti when a roadtrip or larger purchase is made.
The Audi gets a highway mpg of just below that of the Infiniti.
The Tesla downside is driving range once you start driving faster.
I need to crunch some cost of ownership numbers, do some test drives and get more familiar with the range implications of the Tesla.
Tesla
Audi A7
Infiniti M35h
The Infiniti is attractive from a price perspective but I'm attracted by the cargo capacity of the Audi as well as the Tesla. I may regret the lack of cargo capacity in the Infiniti when a roadtrip or larger purchase is made.
The Audi gets a highway mpg of just below that of the Infiniti.
The Tesla downside is driving range once you start driving faster.
I need to crunch some cost of ownership numbers, do some test drives and get more familiar with the range implications of the Tesla.
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