JUST BOUGHT A HONDA ACCORD V-6 EXL NAV

[Pete591]

V-6..Vtec engine... variable cylinder management...271 HP.

Calls for 5W-20

Presently 1,000 miles...I have a free oil and filter at the dealer (Kendall and Honda..make that Fram..oil filter).

No frequency for oil changes in the owners manual. Says to follow the oil minder...which a friend told me can extend out to as far as 8,000 miles.

What oil..frequency for changes..and what filter for this specific vehicle?

 

[Quest]

Obviously, you haven't read through the owner's manual, have you?

There's an OLM built in that monitors the oil change interval (in terms of % in count down fashion). Most Hondas been using OLM since early 2000s.

Q.

 

[Bill in Utah]

I'd do just that.

Follow the OLM with any SM rated 5w-20 oil and filter!

Nice ride and engine. I've got a co-worker with a coupe with the V6 and EXCELLENT commuter vehicle. He has about 100k on his and at 75mpg it is so quiet and smooth.

Engine is EASY on the oil!

Take care, Bill

 

[Audi Junkie]

I like time-based intervals, 2-3-4 times a year. It's convenient, and I change viscs for seasons, which this is ideal for.

Also, I diy my changes, so I DON'T want to be out there in mid-winter.

My change cycle starts around Thanksgiving.

Dino oil is the way to go in a Honda unless you need to do extended changes. If so...

Following the OLM with synth oil is another good plan.

 

[Pete591]

Originally Posted By: Quest
Obviously, you haven't read through the owner's manual, have you?

There's an OLM built in that monitors the oil change interval (in terms of % in count down fashion). Most Hondas been using OLM since early 2000s.

Q.


My question I guess..is can I trust the OLM fully or would anyone think otherwise in their experience?

In my sons Equinox I did an oil analysis when the oil was due for change and wear numbers and viscosity were not great at all. In this vehicle I now change every 5,000 and ignore the OLM as it is not accurate at all or use synthetic oil and a good filter and go all the way out. GM says conventional and the OCM in the manual.....NOT

 

[Durango]

Pete591,

Congratulations on your new car purchase. These new cars are a whole new breed of animal when it comes to oil changes.

Like my newly bought Impala SS I go by what me OLM tell me to do based on my driving habits. So far my "OLM" tells me to change oil every 6K and do so when the dash panel monitor tell me. I feel it's a fantastic reminder/indicator. I always use a synthetic oil/5w30 Mobil 1 and truct mine very much.

In your case I'd do the same and use a good oil of your choice and use Hondas version of the GM "OLM" as much as possible. Besides your car is still under warranty so don't do anything to void it.

Durango

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: Pete591


My question I guess..is can I trust the OLM fully or would anyone think otherwise in their experience?

I would and do. No worries.

I wish all my vehicles had one. If there was anything that should be mandatory on vehicles it should be an OLM with percentage (so you can get a idea if the thing is close to timing out before a trip).

Bill

 

[Pablo]

Honda OLM is rock solid. That's why I double or triple it.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Honda is very adamant about first oil change, they want you to leave the factory fill until the OLM tells you do change oil. Read the owner manual to confirm that.

 

[Quest]

Originally Posted By: Pete591
My question I guess..is can I trust the OLM fully or would anyone think otherwise in their experience?

In my sons Equinox I did an oil analysis when the oil was due for change and wear numbers and viscosity were not great at all. In this vehicle I now change every 5,000 and ignore the OLM as it is not accurate at all or use synthetic oil and a good filter and go all the way out. GM says conventional and the OCM in the manual.....NOT





Honda engines have always been easy on oils and for that I would have full confidence in relying solely on their OLM alone for the OCI.

My fit is now 4yrs old, and been relying on OLM for oil change (MC 5W20 semi-syn) and I only get to change it once a year. My UOA turned out to be good (OLM indicates 40~50% life left, and TBA indicates that I can still go for another 1/2 yr).

Mind you though: I only take my car out on a spin during weekends and long dist driving to WA and OR.

Q.

 

[Audi Junkie]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Honda OLM is rock solid. That's why I double or triple it.



..on AMSoil.

 

[Norm Olt]

I seriously question the advisability of using an OLM as the sole factor in oil changes. The lack of a recommended (and REQUIRED!) OCI is very disturbing to me. I realize I'm not the kind of typical clueless consumer (Baaaaaa!) the auto makers AND the government (over)regulators are designing the system to exploit. I buy for the long run.

My reasoning? Very simple:

When the manufacturer is willing to warranty the engine/drivetrain for a period that extends to a STATED life for the car if the OLM's recommendations are followed, I'll believe they have the confidence to "put their money (vs. YOUR CAR'S ENGINE) where their mouth is".

If the trend is to give the consumer a product that is only guaranteed for the warranty period (or a 3 year lease) so that the manufacturer doesn't have to worry about paying for any routine service (i.e. trends towards "lifetime sealed transmissions" or "100,000 mile plugs") you ought to get service and warranty work done free for the life of the vehicle, or for a reasonable stated period, as in 10 Years or 300K miles, whichever is longer.

Otherwise it goes, in my humble opinion, FAR BEYOND the concept of PLANNED OBSOLESCENSE. If a new car is sold as being GUARANTEED for 300K miles and you buy it with 100K on the odo you are buying it with 2/3rd's of its life left. And you can pay accordingly for it, based upon the free market value. If you are buying basic transportation and you need 20K per year for another 10 years, you know what you want/need to buy. If you absolutely must have the newest, "best", most tricked-out trendiest Hybrid Luxury car every 3 years, then you know you are going to have to pay for it, up front, and that there will be a supply of used vehicles with STATED & GUARANTEED lifespans available for the people who don't.

Whether these vehicles are going to be bargains or dead dogs on the market is going to depend on how good a car they really are.

Cheers!

p.s. RE: the OP, I would go the recommended 1st OLM interval and then switch over to one 5-6K OCI, recording what the OLM registered at that point, then go further (as in "until the OLM shows 20% left") with a full synthetic. I just don't trust the auto makers when it is not THEIR money that is on the line.

 

[Scotty1981]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
I'd do just that.

Follow the OLM with any SM rated 5w-20 oil and filter!

Nice ride and engine. I've got a co-worker with a coupe with the V6 and EXCELLENT commuter vehicle. He has about 100k on his and at 75mpg it is so quiet and smooth.

Engine is EASY on the oil!

Take care, Bill


How did he manage 75MPG, I only have a 4 cyl Civic but I can only manage at best 28 MPG city not sure on highway as I don't do much highway driving.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: Scotty1981
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
I'd do just that.

Follow the OLM with any SM rated 5w-20 oil and filter!

Nice ride and engine. I've got a co-worker with a coupe with the V6 and EXCELLENT commuter vehicle. He has about 100k on his and at 75mpg it is so quiet and smooth.

Engine is EASY on the oil!

Take care, Bill


How did he manage 75MPG, I only have a 4 cyl Civic but I can only manage at best 28 MPG city not sure on highway as I don't do much highway driving.


That would be the "G" key next to the "H" key.

So lets review Bills typing skills...

He has about 100k on his and at 75mpH

it is so quiet and smooth.


Sorry about that!

Bill

 

[mechtech2]

OLM systems do not test oil.
They figure it out by time, RPM, throttle position, temperature, etc.. There is NO compensation for different oils, or dino or synth.
You will end up with a minimum and maximum - there will be a pattern after a while.
This is the same as regular and severe service recommendations that are in manuals for decades.

The Maximum length is getting longer and longer, though. Better engine building, fuel and ignition management, smaller engines, and better oil, account for this.

 

[Pete591]

I was at the Honda dealer to pick up my registration...parts manager showed me that Honda uses a product similar (if not the same) as... 88862586 - GM Performance E.O.S. Cam & Lifter Break-In Pre-Lube and it needs to stay in for 4,500 miles according to him and then out and they do a free oil and filter change....after this period only. Apparently with newer SM oils there has been adverse wear without this product during break-in. So break-in periods are in vogue again he says...and it's critical to follow this. Why? Honda engines are made to extremely tight tolerances. He said not to go up or down on engine oil viscosity. 5W-20 period.

He has additionally seen Honda's come in with the oil light on indicating the oil is bypassing the filter with some oil filters that are mostly of the high trapping variety. M-1's and some EAo's.

So Honda is firmly seated at not going beyond the Oil Monitoring System's Signal and additionally from experience with the V-6 i-VTec VCM...says no oil filters that are out of manufacturer's specification. That means don't sacrifice flow for filtration rate or with it goes reliability.

So something like Kendall 5W-20 conventional...or 5W-20 Penzoil synthetic...two examples he gave...watching the Oil Minder...are fine. But as it says in the Honda owners manual..do not extend and it's not because they are not aware of what a synthetic oil is all about. They race Honda's and they had the world's most potent 4 cylinder S-2000 and learned a lot of lessons the hard way. The S-2000 needed oil changes every 3,000 miles with Mobil-1 they found to be survivors at high revs.

Suggested oil filters would be a Honda or Wix 51356 or a K&N HP 1010

It's a high compression engine with cylinder management...he said not to be too creative on messing with success.

 

[Carzzz]

Originally Posted By: Pete591
Honda engines are made to extremely tight tolerances. He said not to go up or down on engine oil viscosity. 5W-20 period.


I would use 5w30 after warranty expire!

 

[Pete591]

Originally Posted By: Carzzz
Originally Posted By: Pete591
Honda engines are made to extremely tight tolerances. He said not to go up or down on engine oil viscosity. 5W-20 period.


I would use 5w30 after warranty expire!


http://world.honda.com/automobile-technology/i-VTEC/


I am not 100% on the working of i-VTEC...variable timing engine cam... but I am pretty sure it is engaged from oil pressure so who knows how different oil weight might effect that. I was told specifically not to go with 5w30 in an iVTEC-VCM engine.

After researching all this...I will leave the break-in oil in for 3,500 miles...then get the free Honda (Kendall) oil and Honda oil filter change and leave it in 5,000 miles and then move to synthetic 5W-20 Penzoil Ultra with a Wix or K&N oil filter and follow the Oil Minder System.

 

[Mau]

Ya I've been following the RDX's MID and it varys, when the car was not driven downtown it would do close to 7k on PP (HTO-06 rated oils), now that it is it is only hitting 5k.

I will follow it due to the turbo, I did the oil change 2 days ago and the oil came out pretty nasty. Looking through the oil cap thoe the motor is clean with 65k on it!

I find all 3 of Honda's like PP. Unfortunately not PU up here in Canada yet for me to try but at 20-22 bucks for a 4.4L jug I'll stick with PP until there is no more

 

[Audi Junkie]

Originally Posted By: Pete591
I was at the Honda dealer ...parts manager. He said not to go up or down on engine oil viscosity. 5W-20 period.

It's a high compression engine with cylinder management...he said not to be too creative on messing with success.



Can we stop all the 2nd-hand nonsense people!


Havoline 5w30 at 9.7 cSt

http://www.havoline.com/na/docs/Havoline_Motor_Oils_Dep_Shield_PDS.pdf


Castrol GTX 5w-20 at 9.1cSt

http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_int...psd_gtx_usa.pdf

.6cSt is going to ruin an engine?

And overseas, recommended for the the 3.5...

Edge 0w-30
Magnatec 5w30

http://www.castrol.com/castrol/iframe.do?categoryId=9024084&contentId=7044829


This is getting old, the re-flapping of service dweeb's gums.