Just a thought about these filter tears...

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I am changing to the Fram Extra Guard orange can at the next oil change for my Dakota coming up soon around the end of June or first of July.

Since I change my oil every 3K the rubber ADBV should do fine. I really want to see if my oil pressure gauge reads any differently with an EG. The Napa Silver I have now is OK but my oil pressure reads a bit lower than it did with the Puro Classics I used for years.

I hope Purolator corrects these tearing problems. Until they do and we have documented proof the issues no longer exist I will use a different filter. I may as well use a Fram anyway, I have a Fram air filter, Autolite spark plugs and Autolite plug wires and all are doing just fine. I am thinking the grip material on a Fram probably does make it easier to install and remove it.

I used the orange Fram filters for years before I switched to Purolator maybe ten years ago. I never had any trouble with Fram then and I don't expect any trouble with Fram now.
 
yep, almost any filter is likely to be better than Purolator right now. ... At least the Fram company came out and said (3 years ago) that they routinely go out and grab a few filters randomly in the field to look for tears. ... Purolator specifically stated that they don't care enough to do that. Unbe-freakin-leivable.
 
This may not mean anything, but on the filter I cut apart the pleat that was torn felt very hard and brittle, almost like it had been cooked. Maybe there has been a change in the formula of the filter media that has contributed to the problem ?
 
Originally Posted By: Kira
Hello, My thought on the subject is that a batch of filtering media was made poorly for whatever reason.
Obviously I think a cheap paper was called for by the industry to save a few cents per filter.
Does anybody think speccing shoddy materials is "new".

This media rips at folds because it's cheap.


Originally Posted By: tightwad
This may not mean anything, but on the filter I cut apart the pleat that was torn felt very hard and brittle, almost like it had been cooked. Maybe there has been a change in the formula of the filter media that has contributed to the problem ?


There are many factors involved with the media tearing issue. If a few factors add up in the wrong direction, then you get tearing. Filter material could have changed, but keep in mind that the media material still has to meet the filtering efficiency specs, so my guess it's formulation is pretty controlled and specific. You just can't shred up a bunch of recycled cereal boxes and mix it into the formula and expect it to work as filter media.
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So, this was seen back in May 2011 ... 3 years ago. This oil filter had date code F08A26D1, so it was made 8/26/2009. Look familiar? It's not really a "new" problem, but we for some reason have seen a larger rash of reported tears in the last 3 months.

Purolator Classic with Torn Media
 
Originally Posted By: Jimmy9190

I really want to see if my oil pressure gauge reads any differently with an EG. The Napa Silver I have now is OK but my oil pressure reads a bit lower than it did with the Puro Classics I used for years.


With a positive displacement oil pump in good shape, the oil pressure should be the same with any filter as long as the oil pump is not in pressure relief, which would be when it's putting out upwards of near 80 PSI. If your oil pressure gauge is micky mouse, or if you look at pressure readings without having the same exact oil temperature and engine RPM, then it's easy to think the filter is making a difference in oil pressure when it really isn't.
 
Originally Posted By: Kuato
This could end up being the "you get what you pay for" scenario.


Maybe it is one of the reason why they ended up at Walmart or Kmart or Meijer.

Selling to the lowest bidder...and here we make fun of fram....

Now I really have to question my 3.29 cartridge filter.....
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Kira
Hello, My thought on the subject is that a batch of filtering media was made poorly for whatever reason.
Obviously I think a cheap paper was called for by the industry to save a few cents per filter.
Does anybody think speccing shoddy materials is "new".

This media rips at folds because it's cheap.


Originally Posted By: tightwad
This may not mean anything, but on the filter I cut apart the pleat that was torn felt very hard and brittle, almost like it had been cooked. Maybe there has been a change in the formula of the filter media that has contributed to the problem ?


There are many factors involved with the media tearing issue. If a few factors add up in the wrong direction, then you get tearing. Filter material could have changed, but keep in mind that the media material still has to meet the filtering efficiency specs, so my guess it's formulation is pretty controlled and specific. You just can't shred up a bunch of recycled cereal boxes and mix it into the formula and expect it to work as filter media.
lol.gif


So, this was seen back in May 2011 ... 3 years ago. This oil filter had date code F08A26D1, so it was made 8/26/2009. Look familiar? It's not really a "new" problem, but we for some reason have seen a larger rash of reported tears in the last 3 months.

Purolator Classic with Torn Media



Could have been this extreme winter....
 
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Bosch, Fram been threads with issues too....whether tears or holes, they are happening...and get the feeling there will be more....


You're talkin' about the two biggest cheapskates on the face of the Earth .... FRAM and Purolator.

If anybody's gonna cut corners to save a couple of cents, it's those two!!
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Could have been this extreme winter....


Are any of these tears from the warmer parts of the USA? Cold, thick, oil and higher pressures may be an issue, along with weak media.
 
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Could have been this extreme winter....

That may have been a contributing factor, but I'm skeptical. In any case, oil filter have been around for many years. Purolator has been in the oil filter business for many years. Significant portions of North America have experienced very cold temperatures for as long as humans have been on the planet. Purolator making a filter that cannot stand up to cold oil (particularly thinner cold oil than has been historically the case) is about as inexcusable as it would be if Ford marketed a car up here and forgot to put a heater in it.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Could have been this extreme winter....

That may have been a contributing factor, but I'm skeptical. In any case, oil filter have been around for many years. Purolator has been in the oil filter business for many years. Significant portions of North America have experienced very cold temperatures for as long as humans have been on the planet. Purolator making a filter that cannot stand up to cold oil (particularly thinner cold oil than has been historically the case) is about as inexcusable as it would be if Ford marketed a car up here and forgot to put a heater in it.


True, and I still place the blame on Purolator. It's going to be the reason why I'm not going to be using my classic cartridges, as even the media is sad on mine, compared to the (puro made) made in china driveworks filter in my AAP deal. This is going to hurt them pretty bad as word starts getting out...

But I also realize that engine tech in general ( DI, turbo) has gone meanstream, and I'm not still how battle tested it is here, along with the cold. It is really starting to make me think that the mesh based filters need to become mainstream for these cars, so that simple things like crimps for the filters don't come tearing off...

Bottom lone is that Purolator needs to fix this, pronto!
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Purolator making a filter that cannot stand up to cold oil (particularly thinner cold oil than has been historically the case) is about as inexcusable as it would be if Ford marketed a car up here and forgot to put a heater in it.


They didn't market Explorers and Tauruses up there?
 
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Bottom lone is that Purolator needs to fix this, pronto!

From the pictures and descriptions given by people who opened up these things, they need to get rid of the brittleness of this media.

@yonyon: I don't have a lot of experience with the Taurus, but the Explorers had adequate heat.
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Originally Posted By: Nate1979
All brands? No. One manufacturer recently? Yes.

Bosch too. I recently cut open a Bosch 3330 and it was torn in same way as Purolator ... I don't know the MFG connection but assume they are similar internals to Purolator.
 
Yes, made by Purolator for Bosch, with the internals basically the same as a Pureone. Similarly, Manns for North American and Japanese vehicles are Purolator Classic clones.

Bosch, too, needs to put their foot down over this issue. They offer some of the finest filters in Europe for European models, and then they're passing off garbage in North America.
 
The record breaking ultra cold winter in much of the country could very well have been a contributing factor in the media tears.
A couple of weeks ago I changed the oil and filters on a couple of my vehicles. Because I was curious, I cut both of the filters open to have a look. Both were PureOnes installed last October and neither of them had media tears. But, I live in Texas. We had an unusually cold winter down here (for us) but nowhere near the extreme cold that many of you have had.
The two PureOnes that I cut open were a PL20195 and a PL14610. I have not heard of any media tears on the PL20195s (which may be due to the fact that it has a glued seam), but the PL14610s seem to have a LOT of media tears.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Yes, made by Purolator for Bosch, with the internals basically the same as a Pureone. Similarly, Manns for North American and Japanese vehicles are Purolator Classic clones.

Bosch, too, needs to put their foot down over this issue. They offer some of the finest filters in Europe for European models, and then they're passing off garbage in North America.


As a DIYer installing Motorcraft & Hyundai filters on my vehicles, both products of the Mann+Hummel Purolator conglomerate, I'm pleased to note no issues with those filters. I continue to be especially impressed with the continuing tank-like quality of the Hyundai OEM filters made by Mann+Hummel Korea following the Mann+Hummel Dongwoo venture in 2008.
 
wag123 and Hallmark, it's certainly true that there will be examples where we may not see any problems whatsoever. I just wish this would be straightened out. We haven't seen any issues with Motorcrafts, which is pretty handy, too.
 
I recently cut open 2 pure 0ne filters, 1 off my '12 Subaru Outback and 1 off my BMW motorcycle. Neither had an issue with tears, but both were purchased well over a year ago (I keep a stock). The Outback had 5k on it, in pretty harsh winter conditions. The motorcycle, 3k, no harsh conditions. I have to believe this problem is a bad materials/time of manufacture problem. I have switched to Wix.
 
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