It's impossible to enjoy driving these days.

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Originally Posted By: wallyuwl
People regularly pull out into the roads (often when there is not adequate room to in the first place), then will go 35-40 in a 55.


I never understood the mentality of the driver who will not wait for a safe gap to pull out, but once they've pulled out, they'll take their merry time getting up to speed.

I wonder if they're trying to teach the other cars on the road a lesson?

I've actually had these idiots pull out in front of me when I was the only car on the road. It's almost as though they sit there and wait for a car to appear before they decide it's ok to pull out.
 
Originally Posted By: brianl703
Can someone explain to me why Illinois and other states have these never-ending construction projects? It's not because of the climate. That doesn't wash. We got a lot more freeze-thaw cycles here, and they don't have to rip up the pavement here every year.



Right. It is truly ridiculous here.
 
Originally Posted By: wallyuwl
Yes, poorly maintained cars are less safe, but this is regardless of speed.

The point was that poorly maintained cars are even less safe at higher speeds.


Originally Posted By: wallyuwl
But on the interstate if you are driving UP on vehicles, and passing them even if you are weaving in and out of traffic, the only way you are a DANGER to other drivers is if you actually hit them. You are not changing THEIR driving behavior.

I addressed this point in my post. It may not necessarily be creating risk per se, but it reduces your safety margin. You are more likely to screw up, others are more likely to misread your moves, and your ability to compensate is compromised.


Originally Posted By: wallyuwl
If you are going very slow for the road, speed limit, conditions, etc., you are changing OTHER driver's behavior. This is a BIG danger for the reasons I and Kestas have pointed out.

No doubt. This in no way means that speeding does not pose its own problems.


Originally Posted By: wallyuwl
Also, with two lane roads (one lane each direction) slow drivers are yet an even bigger hazard. Around here there are many two lane roads that have relatively heavy traffic going into and out of the city (the city is a "hub and spoke" design). People regularly pull out into the roads (often when there is not adequate room to in the first place), then will go 35-40 in a 55. This causes a huge line of cars to back up. When you run up on a huge line of cars like this, it happens exceptionally fast because it isn't until you are nearly up on the last car in the line that you notice just how slow the line of cars is moving. I'd estimate this scenario causes at least a dozen accidents around here every month. Some of them are fatal.

On two lane roads exceptionally fast drivers need to slow down for slower drivers until there isn't traffic coming from the other direction so they can pass. This creates a safety concern if they don't judge oncoming traffic correctly, but it isn't a direct result of going too fast. It is a result of impatience/poor perception in the passing process. With most two lane roads it is unsafe to go much more than 55 or 60 anyway because of the road designs themselves and it is rare to have issues (at least around here) with exceptionally fast drivers on these types of roads.

As long as you agree that speed exacerbates the consequences of judgment issues although it doesn't necessarily cause them, I'm right with you here.
 
How many times has a faster moving vehicle pulled up to a slower one, slam on the brakes, give a salute, pass too closely and then cut right across the bow to exit the expressway.
 
Man, am I ever glad I live in rural Canada. I go 90km/hr (55mph) on my commutes getting awesome fuel economy, just relaxing on my way on the double divided highway, its quite enjoyable actually. If the freaks don't like how fast I am going they can sit on it and rotate for all I care. Once in a while there is a goombah from the US coming up or a city racer they tries to tailgate me, I just flip off the cruise and let them eat cake until they pass. They are the ones getting all worked up over nothing. I lived in the big city, and played cat and mouse games trying to get ahead this lane and that...the net result is years off ones life in terms of stress levels...forget that noise.

I will never go above the speed limit regardless of surrounding traffic speeds either. If you don't like it go around. I could care less. I have never been in an accident, regardless of driving conditions and very rarely have to adjust my speed each time winter hits, while all the other spaz's are slipping and sliding into the ditch in front of me, then they wake up and they suddenly are going much slower than me trying to get their winter driving bearings. I get home safe every time at the same time, never have a close call I see deer from a mile away, and have loads of time to react due to my speed

I choose to relax....its the only way to go...win-win for me.
 
Most interstates I've been on there is no posted minimum (mostly in the midwest). I've seen some, but generally there is no minimum sign. And I've never seen a minimum sign on a county/country highway or road.
 
In my area driving is pretty relaxed. Drive 1hr south to Boston and it gets a little frustrating.

That being all said I only drive maybe 500 miles max per month and 100% telecommute. So that is helpful.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
For an awake driver in a good car on a smooth and open road, I think speed limits are stupid, and that's as much as I will publicly say on that subject.

Dude,how many smooth roads do we have in PA ?
 
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It's relaxing to drive slower in the right lane, like 60 in a 65. My land yacht gets 32 mpg at that speed. Of course, the inattentive still fly up my tailpipe instead of planning ahead and moving around me.

Going 5 mph below highway speed limits is okay. 10-15 below on a busy freeway is suicide. I've had to do some amazing things avoiding those slowpokes with a death wish.
 
Originally Posted By: sciphi
It's relaxing to drive slower in the right lane, like 60 in a 65. My land yacht gets 32 mpg at that speed. Of course, the inattentive still fly up my tailpipe instead of planning ahead and moving around me.

Going 5 mph below highway speed limits is okay. 10-15 below on a busy freeway is suicide. I've had to do some amazing things avoiding those slowpokes with a death wish.


Agreed. Going exceptionally slow nor exceptionally fast is good. My whole point is that exceptionally slow is worse because it screws everyone else up. More damage can happen to other drivers as a result of slow drivers, so I'd say those going 10-15 below the speed limit really are homicidal, not suicidal.
 
I had a great drive home from work.
I dropped the top, basked in the hot sun with the breeze blowing through my grey mop, and just enjoyed the ride.
Never exceeded sixty five.
Was tempted to pass a couple of people (two lane), but didn't.
Driving is what you make it.
You may as well sit back and enjoy the trip.
Don't let the bad manners of others spoil your day.
Finally, life is always better in an open car, with a five speed, a willing engine, and a smile on your face.
 
I can't abide the brain dead morons who think they will crash in a horrendous ball of flame if they take a corner or on/off ramp at anything faster than 50% of the advisory speed. The advisory speed will generate a lateral acceleration of no more than 0.2g.
Madness.
 
How many times have anyone heard on the news that such and such an accident was caused by slow driver/ers. Going 50 in a 55 mph is not necessary going slow.

I travel a streatch often thats approx 20 miles long, at times I'm passed at the very start of this streatch only to see the same driver at the 2nd stop light at the end of 20 miles. Yup, there sure was a lot of time saved.
 
Here in FL we have smooth roads with very little pot holes, but it seems the elderly folks like to hog all the lanes and drive 50 MPG on the highway.
 
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Here in FL we have smooth roads with very little pot holes, but it seems the elderly folks like to hog all the lanes and drive 50 MPG on the highway.


I agree that would upset me also. For a relaxing drive I go to the 2 lane country roads, sans tractor-trailers, and enjoy the scenery. Four lane highways should be for those driving the speed limit or very close to it, within 5 mph.
 
I agree that driving is no longer enjoyable. My 40 mile commmute to work is on a highway with a speed limit of 55 mph. Most people, like me, run about 60-62 mph, right hand lane most of the time. However, some people think its the indy 500 and they like to run 75 mph+, I don't get it, not necessary. Even when I'm passing in the left lane, these jerks practically run me right back into the right lane.

There's no sane middle ground, its either 60 mph or 75 mph+ running people off the road.

What's with the jackrabbit acceleration off of stoplights? These people want to get to 60 mph in 3 seconds. I accelerate smooth and steady because I'm interested in good fuel economy. If that PO's the person behind me, oh well, they can kiss my behind, lol.
 
Wow. I didn't realize how many BITOG members had morphed into AARP traffic enforcement specialists...
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Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Here in FL we have smooth roads with very little pot holes, but it seems the elderly folks like to hog all the lanes and drive 50 MPG on the highway.


Yeah thats true or sure...Thank heavens the bulk of the elderly stick to the surface streets...But the problem is alot start to hit the brakes at green lights for some reason.

Overall I have to say the worst drivers are right here in Miami Dade and Broward County...Everyone here comes from a different country and drives differently...They tailgate,speed,do not signal,and they all talk on text while they drive not paying any attention to the road.

Overall the cops to do not bother anyone unless they are doing over 80MPH as the FHP is understaffed and always working accidents 24/7.

Unless you are driving a Black and White Ford Police Interceptor with a spotlight with dark windows,Charger,or 9C1 Impala expect to be tailgated as soon as you get on the Interstate and cut in front of every few seconds no matter how fast you are going...I am thinking of painting my white Crown Vic Black and White.
 
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