Interesting experience with MMO

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I used it once, it freed a stuck ring that 'another additive' could not.
My take; It's not a miracle in a bottle. but it's cheap, proven to be safe and CAN work.
 
Just to circle the wagons and close this circle, I changed out the oil and used straight Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30, and the motor is running as smooth as can be. There's no hint of oil burning at startup or otherwise, and oil consumption is very low, maybe one quart every 3000 miles or so just based on how little has been burned (or leaked) so far. Not bad for an engine with nearly 150k on it.

I'm pretty convinced that the MMO did help free up the gummy oil control rings to the point where the startup oil plumes stopped, and hopefully the Pennzoil will continue the cleaning. I am really happy to have the engine working as it does now.

Unfortunately, I was given a half bottle of Lubro Moly MoS2, to try in the Miata. I'm tempted, and it seems the MoS2 has a good reputation here. Any suggestions?
 
Originally Posted By: Injured_Again
Just to circle the wagons and close this circle, I changed out the oil and used straight Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30, and the motor is running as smooth as can be. There's no hint of oil burning at startup or otherwise, and oil consumption is very low, maybe one quart every 3000 miles or so just based on how little has been burned (or leaked) so far. Not bad for an engine with nearly 150k on it.

I'm pretty convinced that the MMO did help free up the gummy oil control rings to the point where the startup oil plumes stopped, and hopefully the Pennzoil will continue the cleaning. I am really happy to have the engine working as it does now.

Unfortunately, I was given a half bottle of Lubro Moly MoS2, to try in the Miata. I'm tempted, and it seems the MoS2 has a good reputation here. Any suggestions?


I'd give the MoS2 a shot, in fact I'd treat it to a full bottle. If you're satisfied with the results you can use half a bottle for subsequent oil changes. Clevy a member here has posted a lot about MoS2 recently here's something recent from him, there's a lot more if you search the additive section.

Originally Posted By: Clevy


First off mos2 doesn't "stick" like tape or spitballs.
Its a solid lubricant. If you throw a few drop on the wall they will sit there,and benefit nothing.
How it works is the metal contact points(pushrods to cams for example)rub the 1/2 micron particles under stress and pressure and heat into the microscopic hills and valleys of the metals where friction is occurring. Once these irregularities are pressure fed mos2 the create an ultra smooth,extremely durable layer which can effectively reduce the co-efficient of friction. And because the metals are separated by this hard layer there is little to no contact of the actual metal underneath this layer.
At start up the layer is sacrificial and may wear slightly off however as soon as you re-create what put it there in the first place(you pouring in bottle,then heat friction and pressure) will re-apply as long as the engines able to maintain those requisites for an unspecified quantity of time.
In everything I use it in it takes time to layer on enough to be effective. I found that in my Chevy it took 500 miles before I say a significant difference in mileage however my mustand was only 300 miles before it peaked,and wouldn't increase significantly anymore.
I'm thinking 30-40 minute drives with engine stopped until completely cooled is ideal.
I think that there is enough heat and pressure in that trip to allow the mos2 to leave a thin layer. Then repeat after cool down. Lots of layers built up and compressed together leads me to believe that the layers would be welded and unlikely to potentially peel at any given point.
The Chevy was driven to bc with is virgin run of mos2 which is why I believe it took longer to plate. I think the cool down is what hardens them,increasing its resistance to tearing.
I know the organic moly found in PYB leaves only a single microscopic layer which doesn't layer. Its worn off at start up and reapplied when hot and the zddp is active.
Think of organic moly as a type of slick slime. Think of zddp as a polished granite countertop laser cut with not even a microscopically seen irregularity.
Now imagine the thin layer of slim on top of the zddp.
Slick.
Now imagine a marble with an axle through the center and a ball point pens tip pressed against this spinning marble with a solution of fluid that contains a softer type rock.
As the pens tip heats up the rocks physical properties alter slightly and these nano specs begin to become malleable and can be compressed without any voids,all the while being layered on top and compressed

Better analogy for mos2.
Samurai sword. Heat the metal,pound flat. Re-heat and fold the metal over itself creating an incredibly hard,multi-layered product that once cooled is even harder.
At start up that hardened layer has a pen tip pushed into it,dry. Only the mos2. It heats up as the rotations increase and some of the layer melts off until the oil comes to the rescue and moistens the contact points at which time,once it achieves the necessary temp the cycle starts all over again.
This is I believe why I maintain the attained mileage improvements with only a half dose per subsequent oil change.
Well a novella this time.
Lets see who wants to quote and rebut on this one.
The opinions written are my personal observations and assumptions and I am in no way an expert. I merely deduced these observations after careful thought,making the odd leap hear and there.
Similar to the missing link in the evolution theory. I've got a few missing links and I'm confident in the knowledge they will not be found.
Missing links have more fun anyways.



Search the additive section there's more from Clevy, myself, and others who have actually used the product. I found it helps reduce oil burning.
 
Originally Posted By: Injured_Again
Just to circle the wagons and close this circle, I changed out the oil and used straight Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30, and the motor is running as smooth as can be. There's no hint of oil burning at startup or otherwise, and oil consumption is very low, maybe one quart every 3000 miles or so just based on how little has been burned (or leaked) so far. Not bad for an engine with nearly 150k on it.

I'm pretty convinced that the MMO did help free up the gummy oil control rings to the point where the startup oil plumes stopped, and hopefully the Pennzoil will continue the cleaning. I am really happy to have the engine working as it does now.

Unfortunately, I was given a half bottle of Lubro Moly MoS2, to try in the Miata. I'm tempted, and it seems the MoS2 has a good reputation here. Any suggestions?


I got one for ya.
My charger wouldn't go into mds mode. I noticed at purchase time the dipstick had varnish about 5" up from the tip. So I figure the original owner tried something else,and it had already cleaned most of it but there was still some lingering.
So I ran 2 cans of seafoam thru a vacuum line and the center front nipple. 1/2 can at a time on a hot motor followed by a spirited drive afterwards to clear it out.
Mileage was 18mpg on the highway tops. I was disgusted that this car got equal mileage as my truck did.
So I've been to work with it everyday and 18mpg was the best I could do.
Fast forward to this morning. I knew that the seafoam would have a drying effect so I wanted to suck in some mmo just to lube the top end. I'll install my top end oiler this weekend.
Anyways I had the tunes going and I'm slowly pouring so that it doesn't stall the engine when I clued into the empty bottle.
I didn't want to shut it off for fear of hydro-locking the motor so I hopped in and got some use from my slap shift.
Anyways I held 2nd gear to 50mph until the smoke cleared.
As I'm driving I hear the engine hit a deeper not then I was used to. I thought nooooooooo. What did I do.
Suddenly my mileage counter starts climbing. It hit 26mpg. I was thoroughly impressed. At 70mph too.
So I'm thinking the mmo that got by the rings when I grossly overdosed it must have dissolved some of the varnish I saw on the dipstick,making it operate properly again.
 
Based on the other threads, it seems well worth it to try the MoS2, so I'll put the remainder into the engine today as the oil is still basically new.

My fuel economy has remained amazingly consistent the last three or four tanks, at between 27.2 and 28.2 MPG, all filled up at the same location. The weather has been very consistent, and since this is a daily driver, it is mostly driven on the same roads at the same times of day every day. So I'll report how it does over the next few weeks.

Thanks for all of the feedback.
 
Originally Posted By: Injured_Again
Based on the other threads, it seems well worth it to try the MoS2, so I'll put the remainder into the engine today as the oil is still basically new.

My fuel economy has remained amazingly consistent the last three or four tanks, at between 27.2 and 28.2 MPG, all filled up at the same location. The weather has been very consistent, and since this is a daily driver, it is mostly driven on the same roads at the same times of day every day. So I'll report how it does over the next few weeks.

Thanks for all of the feedback.


Just remember that it takes time to plate fully. My 99 chev took over 350 miles before the full effect was realized. My 5.0 fox was over 400 miles. My 04 ram hemi took 2 full tanks so over 500 miles.
You will notice your idle increases. Don't sweat it. Your ecu doesn't know yet that it needs less full to maintain idle. Obd-2 engines run a diagnostic every time you start the car. So the ecu will need a few run cycles to adjust because it has its baseline from the factory,and its evolved settings because the computer compensates as parts wear so the evolved settings will only adjust in small increments.
The more start/stop run cycles you perform,the sooner it will adjust.
I'm anxious to post your results.
 
So, two days ago, on August 3rd, I put about half a can of MoS2 into the 4-quart crankcase. I drove the Miata around paying special attention to the engine note and noise levels. As it was the weekend, I had a lot of running around to do, and so including the drive this morning have probably done 150 miles in maybe five or six total trips.

I have to say that even though I'm well aware of the placebo effect, the engine is running smoother and quieter than it was before the MoS2, and it was already running really smoothly after the MMO treatment the last fill and the subsequent oil change. I'm noticing now that at idle, the engine is almost inaudible, and the slight shake it has always had has diminished, though the idle speed is the same.

I've giving it some hard running and it still sounds pretty coarse and no different than before over 4000 RPMs. The burnt smell of the exhaust has diminished a fair amount as well, and this was always noticeable as I pulled to a stop and the exhaust gases blew forward in the wake caused by the car.

So, a very positive experience so far, and the engine, at lower speeds, is running smoother than at any time during previous times with MMO, Mobil 1, T6 Rotella, or just plain Pennzoil Platinum. I'm thinking about a several hundred mile road trip into the mountains this coming Wednesday, but I'll report back in a few days no matter what.

By the way, the oil is just a light shade of grey, so the concentration of MoS2 must still be pretty low. Does it sound like I'd benefit from a little more?
 
I think so. Your half can per 4 quarts is below what they recommend. You'd probably be just fine on half can doses on subsequent oil changes though.
 
Use the full can.
I have this stuff in every engine I own except the charger because for the forum I am tracking fuel economy with just M1 5w-20 and after this run of oil I'll be running M1 5w-20 and mos2.
Use it all. Then half a can per oil change after the first treatment.
 
Oh no! You guys convinced me to buy another oil additive?
I might try it in a car that is making a funny engine noise, like a subtle knock or piston slap under load when warming up. I tried a few things and nothing worked so far.

Any negative things about it? I read a few amazon reviews and some people are adamant they lost MPG.
 
Okay. I'll go get another can at Napa and add a bit more. Like I said, the oil just barely shows a grey'ish tint from the MoS2.

I'm due for a fill-up soon. One tank won't be statistically significant and anything less than maybe 1.5 MPG would be kind of lost in the noise. I'm really not expecting to see anything like a 10% change, though I have to admit that it really just feels like I'm barely feathering the throttle to keep speed on flat ground.
 
It was an 85 degree drive home from the park-n-ride, taking the long'ish way, and noticed that the engine speed drops slower when I let off the gas to shift. I then stopped when I got home and just rev'ed the engine with the clutch in, and darned if it isn't consistently taking longer to drop back to idle. There might be a slight idle RPM increase too. I had an issue when I first got this Miata where the idle speed wasn't set right and so the idle speed dropped slowly when the throttle blade didn't close properly, but this is different in that the idle speed drops steadily down to idle. When it was feeding it a bit of gas trying to accommodate the gap in the throttle blade seat, the idle would stair-step down to idle speed.

Off to Napa for another can of MoS2. I'll keep posting here as I notice things.
 
My chev religiously got 450kms per 100L tank. Added mos2 and by the end of the third tank I was at 450kms with over 1/4 tank of fuel left. Ended up a 570is. So over 100km increase per tank of fuel.
My air compressors at work gained an hour of run time per tank of fuel. My girls windstar gained 120kms per tank of fuel. And everything runs more smoothly.
I believe.
 
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I don't know of any additive that's going to fix a mechanical problem. MoS2 is good stuff though.


I guess it depends on your definition of "mechanical". My adventures with MMO started by trying to free gummy oil control rings in the Miata, and that is what I would describe as a "mechanical" problem.

The issue with the throttle blade was an adjustment issue that no additive, other than maybe spraying some sealer onto the throttle blade, would have cured.

We are continuing to have a series of 80-85 degree, low humidity summer days, I may be taking the Miata for a several hundred mile drive tomorrow, but will fill up this current tank before that time as the driving has been very typical of what I have been doing and averaging between 27-28 MPG during that time. The engine is clearly quieter at idle and in low-throttle, low-RPM operation, and I did add a little more MoS2 yesterday.
 
I filled up earlier this morning prior to taking a nice drive out in the countryside. This past tank mirrored the driving conditions, speeds, and traffic density. And the same gas pump as well. The tank returned 28.9 MPG, above the 27.2 to 28.2 MPG range that I had gotten the past several. It'll take a some more to know for sure this wasn't due to a short fill or some other condition (like catching all of the traffic lights) to cause this minor uptick.

An aggressive drive on twisty roads with the engine speeds mostly between 2500 and 5000 RPMs returned over 31 MPG, with large throttle openings on corner exits and acceleration all the way to the braking point for the next corner. Engine operation seems very smooth, and the oil level remained at the full mark.

So, again the MoS2 seems to be making the engine run smoother, and may be reducing oil consumption and increasing fuel economy, but these last two will need some more time to determine.
 
Originally Posted By: Injured_Again
I filled up earlier this morning prior to taking a nice drive out in the countryside. This past tank mirrored the driving conditions, speeds, and traffic density. And the same gas pump as well. The tank returned 28.9 MPG, above the 27.2 to 28.2 MPG range that I had gotten the past several. It'll take a some more to know for sure this wasn't due to a short fill or some other condition (like catching all of the traffic lights) to cause this minor uptick.

An aggressive drive on twisty roads with the engine speeds mostly between 2500 and 5000 RPMs returned over 31 MPG, with large throttle openings on corner exits and acceleration all the way to the braking point for the next corner. Engine operation seems very smooth, and the oil level remained at the full mark.

So, again the MoS2 seems to be making the engine run smoother, and may be reducing oil consumption and increasing fuel economy, but these last two will need some more time to determine.


I'll refrain from saying the obvious "I told ya so" until you've got a few more tanks under your belt.
Everything I've ever put it in got better mileage. EVERYTHING. So I expect yours will too. If it didn't I would be thoroughly shocked.
Keep on keepin on.
I await your next post.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
There's a growing fan club for MoS2 that's for sure!


And with great power comes great responsibility..........
Has mos2 and its greatness now got a target on its back as all the great additives do?
We shall see........
Hehehe

My across the street neighbour last week I put a can of mos2 in his crankcase. A blue chev ss with a 5.3.
I was doing an mmo vacuum line intake soak on a friends geo metro.
Buddy with the metro came by yesterday asking me what it was I put in his vacuum line,because his car feels more responsive and terry my across the street neighbour,who commutes 80 miles a day came to ask where to find what I put in his engine.
He said he has to fill up every 4th day to get to work. He's on his 5th day and still 1/4 tank of fuel left. He wanted to buy another can off me. I told him to buy his own,my stockpile is not for sale.
So chalk up another convert. I might have to set up an mmo/mos2 dealer shop outta my garage.
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
There's a growing fan club for MoS2 that's for sure!


And with great power comes great responsibility..........
Has mos2 and its greatness now got a target on its back as all the great additives do?
We shall see........
Hehehe


What do you think Buddy? LOL
 
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