If corn is so bad why are we still growing so much of it?

If corn is so bad why are we still growing so much of it?

Before Christopher Columbus it fed the 'Americans' North and South for nearly 10000 years. After that it fed the world.

Why are we growing so much? It does more than 'feed people' now. It feeds livestock, We use it to make Liquor, Fuel, and Plastics etc.

Not so long ago Wheat was 'bad'.. Gluten-Free is still a 'thing'.
 
None really. Sucrose is C12H22O11 and chemically just a fructose C6H12O6 molecule connected to a glucose C6H12O6 molecule. There are a lot of articles that says that sucrose is 50/50 glucose/fructose, but that's in a combined molecule and not as free glucose and free fructose. The body will quickly break it down into fructose and glucose by adding a water molecule, then the body just treats that the same as if it were free glucose and fructose. HFCS can vary in terms of proportion.

I believe the reason for the conversion is that the glucose in natural corn syrup isn't as sweet. So converting some of it to fructose makes it sweeter since fructose is sweeter. I believe that the typical 55% fructose HFCS found in sodas is slightly sweeter compared to sucrose watered down about the same.
I believe if you read the articles about it, fructose is broken down in the liver and too much of it can lead to obesity, diabetes and fatty liver disease.
 
I believe if you read the articles about it, fructose is broken down in the liver and too much of it can lead to obesity, diabetes and fatty liver disease.

It's everything in moderation. The sugar in ripe fruit up to 100% fructose, but supposedly fiber helps to slow down the absorption. HFCS in similar amounts isn't too bad - especially when consumed with other food that will control the absorption. Still - sucrose produces about the same effect as HFCS. It quickly turns into glucose and fructose in the digestive system and gets processed the same as HFCS would.

Way back in the late 70s, I saw pure granulated fructose available in bulk bins. It was supposed to provide fewer calories for the equivalent amount of sweetness. And back then there wasn't talk that it was necessarily bad for anyone.
 
It's everything in moderation. The sugar in ripe fruit up to 100% fructose, but supposedly fiber helps to slow down the absorption. HFCS in similar amounts isn't too bad - especially when consumed with other food that will control the absorption. Still - sucrose produces about the same effect as HFCS. It quickly turns into glucose and fructose in the digestive system and gets processed the same as HFCS would.

Way back in the late 70s, I saw pure granulated fructose available in bulk bins. It was supposed to provide fewer calories for the equivalent amount of sweetness. And back then there wasn't talk that it was necessarily bad for anyone.
I think the evidence that it's bad for you only came out in the last 10 years or so. And the use of HFCS wasn't as much back in the 70's as it is now.

And yes, you're right, the main problem with it is that we eat too much of it.
 
I think the evidence that it's bad for you only came out in the last 10 years or so. And the use of HFCS wasn't as much back in the 70's as it is now.

And yes, you're right, the main problem with it is that we eat too much of it.
I'm not sure if the science is there, to back up the claim that it's bad for you. But by golly, if you try to avoid HFCS, it can really cut out a lot of the junk food. Not all of it of course.
 
I think the evidence that it's bad for you only came out in the last 10 years or so. And the use of HFCS wasn't as much back in the 70's as it is now.

And yes, you're right, the main problem with it is that we eat too much of it.
There's really nothing that shows that it's worse the traditional table sugar though in equivalent amounts.
 
There's nothing worse about it in moderation. It's just that frucose goes through the liver and that leads to fatty liver disease which eventually leads to cirrhosis.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/10/191001132712.htm

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168827818300667

However, there's nothing really all that different between a 50/50 HFCS and equivalent amounts of sucrose. The small intestines quickly converts sucrose to fructose and glucose using sucrase and you're right where you would have been with HFCS. I'm just saying there's nothing unique about HFCS compared to table sugar.
 
Well, maybe I'll go down a different road. I work in water resources as a Civil Engineer. And I've spent a good chunk of my career dealing with the external affects of corn production. What? How can that be? Aren't farmers the best stewards of the land? Yes, and no. Follow along...

First, understand what corn is grown for today. Roughly 40% is grown for ethanol - the stuff we burn with our gas. Thirty years ago we did not burn a lot of ethanol, but obviously that has changed. Ethanol production also results in some feed products for agriculture.

Another 35% or so of our corn goes for feed for livestock. This is the stuff fed to cows, pigs, chickens, etc...

A few percent of our corn goes into direct food production - corn syrup, corn meal, sweet corn, etc... But it is a lot less than most people realize. The rest of the crop, roughly 20+% of US corn, is exported.

I won't get into whether HFCS is good or bad, or whether Ethanol in our fuel is a good or bad idea. Instead, I'll focus on the ramifications of decisions that were made to promote ethanol.

In the area of the country I live in, most of my relatives were farmers (emphasis on were...). Some still are, but things are much different than the were before. Pre-ethanol, Crops were typically grown in a three crop rotation (or more...) Corn, Soybeans, small grains like Oats or wheat, and alfalfa were typically used. Each of the crops affects the soils differently, is planted and harvested at different times, etc... The use of multiple crops provided some diversity, and each of the crops needed different things from the soil, and benefited the soil in different ways. The problem here was that the small grains and alfalfa resulted in lower dollars in the farmers pocket. They were relics of how we used to do agriculture with small farms and small equipment.

Fast forward, and we now need a lot of corn for ethanol that we did NOT need grow before. Where can we get it from? Well, a few places, like:

-Cut our rotations to a two crop rotation to soybeans and corn - cut out the lower dollar producing crops. Which is great, but we lose the benefits of the rotation. Big industry says we can fix that, and walah: Here are our industrial fertilizers, herbicides, insecticides, fungicides, etc...
-Modify the plants through genetics and modification to produce more, adapt to places where it didn't grow so well, etc... And to tolerate the herbicides, etc...
-Put more marginal land into production. In my area, this meant farming, ditching, tiling areas that were traditionally too wet to produce a crop reliably enough, so they weren't farmed. They generally are now.
-Remove the windbreaks planted for wind erosion purposes (remember the dust bowl?) and farm edge to edge on everything.
-Irrigation allows corn to grow in places it never rained enough to grow corn in reliably.
-Advances in equipment, and used of GPS to track yields with increasing precision and to target fertlizer has increased and bumped yields even further.

That all sounds OK, right? Well, so long as you don't look much past your farm, maybe... Row crop farming is hard on the soil from a water resources perspective. In the spring, before the shallow (relatively) roots of corn or beans are set, bare earth can allow a tremendous amount of excess runoff relative to vegetated soil conditions. It also allows a lot of erosion to occur. Some of the applied nutrients are lost in this time period, and end up in the ditches, streams, and rivers... and on to the gulf of Mexico. I know, farmers don't want to waste the fertilizer they put on, but regardless, some of it migrates off...

Some of the nutrients find their way into the groundwater over time. Take a look a the areas that have a high susceptibility to groundwater contamination and overlay it with where inputs from fertlizer are high, and you will see the potential problem. The area I used to work in had an obvious upward trend in nitrate concentration over the past 20+ years... not at "bad" levels yet, but high enough that in some cases blending of municipal water sources was needed to lower the concentration (the solution to pollution is dilution approach...)

Farming more marginal lands, connecting up areas via ditching and tiles that previously were landlocked (and I will fully admit a lot of that was done dating back to the 50s and earlier here..), and now pattern tiling, in conjunction with more land in production results in flashier flows and higher total volumes in our streams and rivers... and they react and start to sluff banks and change shape... and all that sediment goes somewhere (along with nutrients. I can point to many systems here that literally falling apart due to these phenomana - and we spend millions yearly trying to "fix" them and literally could spend billions and not fix the problem.

We could talk about irrigation of crops where they didn't grow before and depletion of aquifers. Or we could talk about the water used in ethanol production itself. We could talk about the incredible transpiration rates of corn that can result in increases of dewpoint of up to 5 degrees... And the ensuing precipitation that can ensue that furthers the cycle of the rivers and streams falling apart...

I'm not naive. Yes, we have to grow our food somewhere. Point being - due to the need to make ethanol, we have increased the amount of corn that has to be grown. And that decision has external consequences... And that's where I struggle with agriculture in our area as it exists today.

We are told homegrown fuel good. Don't regulate us, we are the best stewards of the land. And yet from my experience working with SWCD's, Watersheds and Counties, for every farmer that is a good actor in this arena, there are three that will tell everyone else to pound sand. 'You can't tell me what to do" and the high dollars for corn rule... and that's that. The pattern tiles go in, the ditches get dug deeper, the windbreaks come down. If I don,t the next guy will, so too bad for the guy downstream...

That's my 2 cents...
 
I'm not sure if the science is there, to back up the claim that it's bad for you. But by golly, if you try to avoid HFCS, it can really cut out a lot of the junk food. Not all of it of course.
My problem with HFCS is the taste. My wife can tell immediately if a product uses it primarily, before I even check the label. I consume very little and it won't affect my health regardless of sugar or HFCS.
 
We are told homegrown fuel good. Don't regulate us, we are the best stewards of the land. And yet from my experience working with SWCD's, Watersheds and Counties, for every farmer that is a good actor in this arena, there are three that will tell everyone else to pound sand. 'You can't tell me what to do" and the high dollars for corn rule... and that's that. The pattern tiles go in, the ditches get dug deeper, the windbreaks come down. If I don,t the next guy will, so too bad for the guy downstream...

That's my 2 cents...

Indeed. It won't matter much if only one or two farmer out of 3 or 4 will do the good thing. All the damage downstream is "other people's problem".
 
-Advances in equipment, and used of GPS to track yields with increasing precision and to target fertlizer has increased and bumped yields even further.
I don't have much to add other than I met someone who worked at John Deere where he seemed to be proud of the custom GPS unit he worked on that was used on their combines.
 
An Ag guy cousin of mine said corn drew and required large amounts of water, thus irrigation and now drawing down aquifers as ma nature often doesn't provide enough in many of the expanded growing areas. Look at Google earth to view the circular center well systems. It also emits large amounts of the water as it matures markedly raising area humidity and affecting residents and area weather. This adds to higher evaporation/humidity from the many reservoirs created over the last 90 years.
Rain forests add lots of vapor as well.
 
Why don't I find it surprising that this thread (ostensibly started about the amount of corn grown) has instead devolved into an instructional treatise on the dangers of GMO, big agriculture, paleo diets, HFCS and the dangers of US farming practices?

I'm shocked Monsanto hasn't been mentioned yet or is it Bayer now?
What bothers me and leads to my food habits is the GMO crops which are round up ready and other herbicide ready as well as other ag products are sprayed with round up to kill the weeds or to finish off the crops to speed the drying and give a consistent harvest . Round up etc can't be the best to eat. Meat has Round Up in it as well from being fed the ready crops.
 
I don't have much to add other than I met someone who worked at John Deere where he seemed to be proud of the custom GPS unit he worked on that was used on their combines.

A co worker of mine says their accurate within a few inches. I guess turns is where it gets a little sketchy.
Indeed. It won't matter much if only one or two farmer out of 3 or 4 will do the good thing. All the damage downstream is "other people's problem".

What sort of damage downstream?
 
So, what are the solutions for this dilemma? In the United States we want most commodities as cheap as possible, as witnessed by our affliction to allow China to be the master of our domain. Our priorities are off kilter. We gripe about anything less than cheap food and fuel. Yet, we seem to have no problem with expensive gadgetry (cell phones), accessorized vehicles loaded to the gills, and large homes with a half-dozen bathrooms.

A more sustainable and healthy agriculture system will hit us directly in the pocketbook.
 
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