I WANT TO CHANGE MY OIL IN MY HONDA CR-V!!

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer

It's the finality of it all. You can not undo what has already been done.



Maybe--but you could always just change it with something close to the original FF, and get the best of both worlds. I don't think the FF is available in the US, but you could use a high-moly 0W20 and it would be "close enough", at least in my book. If you can find Toyota 0W20 SM or Honda's Idemitsu SM 0W20, just toss that in and run it until the original MM goes off.

All that said, if you're really itching to do something, why obsess over the engine? It's transmission deaths which are more likely to put a car in the boneyard a couple of decades down the line--not the engine. Since there's a good bit of evidence that most of the wear contaminants in a transmission show up after the first 5K miles, what about leaving the FF in the engine along until 50 or 75% of the MM, and doing a transmission flush. There are no special factory fill additives in the transmission FF (at least of which I'm aware). Honestly, I'd probably be more inclined to dump the transmission and rear differential fluid than the engine oil if it were my car.

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
ALL of my engines expired under 60K recently. The last one after 6 months 4K miles.


this pretty much said it all......

 

[Oil Changer]

Originally Posted By: Hounds
ARCOgraphite -- please, focus: Where are your facts to support your thesis that Honda's recommendation regarding the FF is bogus?


Not trying to dog pile, but where are your supporting facts to your claim that engineers wrote the owners manual?

Specifically (if not only) the oil change interval part.

 

[Oil Changer]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer

It's the finality of it all. You can not undo what has already been done.



Maybe--but you could always just change it with something close to the original FF, and get the best of both worlds. I don't think the FF is available in the US, but you could use a high-moly 0W20 and it would be "close enough", at least in my book. If you can find Toyota 0W20 SM or Honda's Idemitsu SM 0W20, just toss that in and run it until the original MM goes off.

All that said, if you're really itching to do something, why obsess over the engine? It's transmission deaths which are more likely to put a car in the boneyard a couple of decades down the line--not the engine. Since there's a good bit of evidence that most of the wear contaminants in a transmission show up after the first 5K miles, what about leaving the FF in the engine along until 50 or 75% of the MM, and doing a transmission flush. There are no special factory fill additives in the transmission FF (at least of which I'm aware). Honestly, I'd probably be more inclined to dump the transmission and rear differential fluid than the engine oil if it were my car.


I agree; don't get me started! But with only ~1000 miles total, it's not really due for anything.

But yes, I very well may swap all the fluids at the oil change time.

The point of this thread is that I have always done super early oil changes on my new vehicles. This is the first new vehicle I have not.

On one vehicle, I changed the oil twice by 1000 miles. That was pre-BITOG days.

 

[Hounds]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
[Not trying to dog pile, but where are your supporting facts to your claim that engineers wrote the owners manual? . . . Specifically (if not only) the oil change interval part.

I didn't claim that "engineers wrote the owners manual." I didn't imply it either.

In addition to what you quoted (and I cited), I also quoted and cited the pertinent portion of Honda's "Maintenance" recommendations from American Honda's "Owner's Link." (ahm-ownerslink.com.) In the absence of anything to the contrary -- other than guesswork and outright speculation -- I regard those two HMC sources as relevent, on point and dispositive.

 

[91344George]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
ALL of my engines expired under 60K recently. The last one after 6 months 4K miles.


this pretty much said it all......


I recall that ARCOgraphite does NOT generally follow the manufacturer OCIs ..correct. Also I wonder if he uses any additives other than something like the mfr approved fuel injector cleaners like Techron?

Honda has been successfully building millions of passenger car engines for many decades now and probably 99.9% of the owners when following the manufacturer recommendations about engine care have absolutely NO issues (remembering of course that ANY mass produced product will have SOME defects/failures)

It must just be that ARCOgraphite has really bad luck.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: 91344George

I recall that ARCOgraphite does NOT generally follow the manufacturer OCIs ..correct.
It must just be that ARCOgraphite has really bad luck.

The 05' Rav 4 got Toyota Dealer oil changes for most of its life. Dont know the oil brand. OCI was always Under 5K miles with Toyota Filter. Car driven over 22K /Annum.When I did the changes the engine got Havoline or Exxon superflo and the expensive OEM DENSO Japan Toyota "deep foam media" filter (as used exclusively for service parts on the Lexus) where as STD toyota uses a "cheaper" Thailand made Denso paper filter. I tend to blame the poor gasoline qual in my area AND the shear out of grade of 5w-30 SM oil on a High specific output engine. Never had problem with Sl and previous spec oil and pre-oxygenated fuels.
BTW 6 of the The Cam buckets were worn way out of clearance.
I rarely if ever use FI cleaner unless it appears the car got a bad slug of fuel. I prefer to not put highy active cleanser in the fuel tank. Many times they do more harm than good.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
ALL of my engines expired under 60K recently. The last one after 6 months 4K miles.


this pretty much said it all......
Right. Rampant Poor fuel quality and Poor manufactring quality and poor oil additisation = infant mortality. I have a much larger personal sample size than most anyone here having owned over 67 cars. And the FORDS are the worst of the bunch - if you discount a couple renaults Ive owned

 

[Coprolite]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
ALL of my engines expired under 60K recently. The last one after 6 months 4K miles.


this pretty much said it all......
Right. Rampant Poor fuel quality and Poor manufactring quality and poor oil additisation = infant mortality. I have a much larger personal sample size than most anyone here having owned over 67 cars. And the FORDS are the worst of the bunch - if you discount a couple renaults Ive owned

Where do you buy your fuel?

 

[Vikas]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
ALL of my engines expired under 60K recently. The last one after 6 months 4K miles.

this pretty much said it all......


You will like this joke

Wife calls her husband on his cellphone:-
"Honey, please drive carefully, there is a maniac driving on the wrong side on I-5"

Husband says:-
"One? There are thousands of them driving on the wrong side"

If ARCO is blowing his engines, he is the one doing something wrong.

- Vikas

 

[Dave Sherman]

I'm not sure I could make an engine fail in less than 60,000 miles unless I drained all the oil out and drove it

. My '97 Saturn definitely must have been the over-achiever then; 128,000 miles before I traded for something bigger, but it used very little oil, still got 36+ MPG on the highway, never had a check engine light, and still passed emissions. Only engine repair I had to make was a new valve cover gasket that was leaking oil into the #1 spark plug well. This was on a Saturn 1.9 that's notorious for being an oil-burner.

FWIW, my '08 CR-V has been following the OLM, and the first oil change was at 10,040 miles. Only time I had to change early was when engine was clattering noticeably but still had 40% oil life left. That was the first and only time I used GTX in it. Now at 67,200 miles, and nothing out of the ordinary. At 32 MPG on the highway and the fact that I've never had to add any oil to it between the 9,000+ mile oil changes, I can't complain.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
And the FORDS are the worst of the bunch - if you discount a couple renaults Ive owned

You keep saying your Ranger 2.3 "died" and maybe I missed it, but what actually happened to the engine? Did it actually fail?

 

[Chris B.]

I just bought a 2011 CRV EX and I know nothing about Hondas as far as fluid requirements. I too have always ben a "change the FF early" kind of guy. I'll read this thread top to bottom!

To all of you CRV owners, what problems have you had if any? THanks!!!

 

[ARB1977]

Not Honda related because we bought it used. My Tacoma had factory fill in till 5K factory recommendation... 133K later doesn't burn a drop.

 

[Chris B.]

Few shots of my new CRV:

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: Chris B.

To all of you CRV owners, what problems have you had if any? THanks!!!


A good friend of mine has one, and I do the maintenance on it in exchange for dog sitting... I've driven the car a fair bit, too. It's almost 10 years old, with about 72K on it, much of it 1-3 mile trips, a pretty hard life. So far, besides fluids the only repair has been a front oxygen sensor. I did a valve adjustment @ 60K and brake pads a couple of weeks ago (they were @ 3mm, so it was preventative in my book, but I had the time now and I won't in the spring/summer). The original battery was just replaced a couple of weeks ago.

That's it. It's been a solid car driven by someone who beats on it.