I bit the bullet and ordered some Cermet.

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I bought the passenger car kit for $110 from Overstock.com.

I followed the directions, and have since changed the oil that I originally installed the cermet with.

I've used MANY different oil additives over the years, and only one them provided any sort of performance increase, and that was Tufoil. The problem with Tufoil, and any PTFE product, is that the particles will settle, and may even clog small oil passages. The Tufoil caused my car to run insanely well. Barely nudged the throttle and I was flying down the road trying to not get a speeding ticket. But this performance increase would last for about three days, then would fade.

Tufoil works great in gearboxes, but not so well in engines.

This Cermet I installed supposedly bonds to the hot spots in the engine which is where the most material would have been lost over the mileage of the car. It's supposed to fill in the gaps and bring the engine back to a tighter spec.

Also, the particles are supposed to counter-balance the spinning engine components as they settle and cure. The curing process gives enough time for the particles to fan out and find the ideal spot to balance out the engine.

Cermet is supposed to increase fuel mileage during idle, or city driving.

This is what CermetLabs advertises.

I installed the CerMet. About a week later I began to notice the car was accelerating quicker.

I noticed my city mileage increased from 18 to 21.5. Highway mileage stayed the same: 28.

I noticed that the engine was idling more smoothly and quietly.

It's been a few weeks since I installed the CerMet. I have made one 2300 mile road trip, and have since changed the oil.

The effects of CerMet have only gotten better, even after the oil change.

I can't feel my engine running anymore. I have to look at the tach to verify that the engine is running.

Mileage has stayed at 21.5 in the city.

The car races away from me, and I have to watch my speed constantly.

There has been zero fade of the effects of CerMet.

I am a believer in CerMet now. Yeah, it's an expensive product, but they claim it will last for 60k miles.

I do want to do a comparison test with Xado. I ordered a dose of Xado for my Trooper. I'm very curious about similarities.



My brother-in-law works at some high-tech company specializing in surveillance equipment. He said he was a trade show once and CerMet was there showing off their product. They had two cylinder/piston rigs on the table. One had been treated with Cermet, the other had not. He said the treated rig was amazing in that it operated so smoothly and seamlessly while the untreated rig was rough. No, that's not proof of anything, but my brother-in-law is the most skeptical person I know, and can shoot holes in anything you throw at him. He thought it was amazing. Oh well.

No, I'm not a Cermet Labs employee. But I do want to buy stock in the company.

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Really? A material that will find the hot spots and bond there? And balance out the vibrations in an engine?

These are not credible claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and anecdotes don't qualify.

Mark me down for zero bottles of that expensive snake oil.
 
Originally Posted By: djb
Really? A material that will find the hot spots and bond there? And balance out the vibrations in an engine?

These are not credible claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and anecdotes don't qualify.

Mark me down for zero bottles of that expensive snake oil.



Goodbye.
 
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Hi, Heatherto.

I used Cermet at the time it was called Cermax.
It is really working.
At that time, it was the best additive I had tried.

Before I tried Cermax, I tried Xado in several cars.
It didn't work, and I got the answer why, now in 2009.
Xado is a fraud company, that have taken some parts of the research, from a product called RVS(ceramic additive), but since they don't have the complete formula, they can not make it work properly.
However, xado have a good marketing department, but their product doesn't do what it claims to do.
 
Hi, Jonny-B,
I tried CerMax once. It was a blue liquid in a small bottle. I found out later that it was supposedly illegitimate, ripped off from another company, and that corresponded exactly with the results I achieved: nothing.

This CerMet Labs product is a black slime that squeezes out of a syringe. I really like it so far.

Thanks for the heads-up on Xado. It's already on it's way, so I'll give it a go, and report back what happens.

H.
 
Heatherto, I'm a little confused. Your sig says "I like it cheep.", which I assume means you're thrifty(or you like baby chics?). Yet, you're willing to lay down $110 for an oil additive?

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If I spend $110 for an oil additive, I sure would feel the increase in my car's performance. If it did not, I would be a sucker to fall for the scam. And who wants to admit being a sucker? I certainly won't!

All kidding aside, I am really impressed with the decimal point in the city mileage claims. How about providing 10 mileage numbers before and 10 mileage numbers after the treatment?

- Vikas

P.S. Can we force all contributors take a course in statistical sampling and inference before allowed to make any claims?
 
I have just used a product called RVS - in my motorcycle - and the results have been amazing - so far - only on 1st treatment as bike riding is getting harder here in Ottawa.

There are a lot of oil guru skeptics all over this site - I think that technology has changed and the proof is in the pudding -
It is really to bad these products don't get more play around here - hey its an oil site for people looking to make their engines last and get better milege - they just get shot down by the Auto RX crowd.....

I used Cermax a few years back in a 2002 RAV-4 and that stuff worked as well.... and lasted. - But since there has been a company that has tried to copy it/selling it all over the internet - crazy patent laws in the US. - I spoke to the original creator of the product way back when.

Anyway - keep on telling the masses about these good products - other might benefit as well......:)
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
If I spend $110 for an oil additive, I sure would feel the increase in my car's performance. If it did not, I would be a sucker to fall for the scam. And who wants to admit being a sucker? I certainly won't!

All kidding aside, I am really impressed with the decimal point in the city mileage claims. How about providing 10 mileage numbers before and 10 mileage numbers after the treatment?

- Vikas

P.S. Can we force all contributors take a course in statistical sampling and inference before allowed to make any claims?



My on-board computer keeps track of fuel mileage. I've compared the computer's reading with manual readings, and they've always been spot on.

The computer used to tell me the car got 18 mpg city. After treatment with CerMet, it now tells me 21.5. Highway mileage stayed exactly the same. So I'm burning less fuel while sitting at stoplights now.
 
Originally Posted By: nicholas
I have just used a product called RVS - in my motorcycle - and the results have been amazing - so far - only on 1st treatment as bike riding is getting harder here in Ottawa.

There are a lot of oil guru skeptics all over this site - I think that technology has changed and the proof is in the pudding -
It is really to bad these products don't get more play around here - hey its an oil site for people looking to make their engines last and get better milege - they just get shot down by the Auto RX crowd.....

I used Cermax a few years back in a 2002 RAV-4 and that stuff worked as well.... and lasted. - But since there has been a company that has tried to copy it/selling it all over the internet - crazy patent laws in the US. - I spoke to the original creator of the product way back when.

Anyway - keep on telling the masses about these good products - other might benefit as well......:)



Yep, this is an oil site, and this is a forum called "Oil Additives", yet people come in here and and mock other people for using oil additives.

If you don't have anything ugly to say, don't say anything at all, right?
 
I guess a lot of people here, have a high degree of risk aversion.
For them, it is blasphemy to use anything else than what was accepted back in the 60's, and what they were taught by their grandfathers.
The same people doesn't realize that there have been a certain development, in regards to oil products and additives.

Yes, there are a lot of scams out there, but amongst them, you can actually find some quality products.

I guess this is why BITOG can be very useful; people can give their personal experiences with several products.

I have learned one thing in particular, here at BITOG, and that is to NOT LISTEN to people that haven't tried a product themselves, but still are badmouthing it.

Yes, I have tried products that are a total vaste of money, but on the other hand, I have learned about several products that are actually working.
Despite what so called "experts" are stating.

Also if someone try a product that have no effect, he should be able to tell about it here, without a yelling crowd of so called "experts" shouting out; "we told you that no additives are working".

However, a lot of people seem to have a tremendous desire to show others how "smart" they are, when they do nothing and risk nothing.
The only thing these people can do, is to sit in front of their computer, and criticize what others do.
 
Originally Posted By: nicholas
I have just used a product called RVS - in my motorcycle - and the results have been amazing - so far - only on 1st treatment as bike riding is getting harder here in Ottawa.


Hi Nicholas,

I posted about a month ago asking if anyone had any experience or at least thoughts on the RVS additive, but no one responded.

Did you order your RVS online or pick it up locally. I see that they have a "RVS delivered" link on their webpage, but the link leads to a page under construction.

Please keep the forum updated with your experience on the RVS-technology additive.

Cheers,

Jeff
 
That is not entirely true. I have used oil analysis with SX-UP additive,Lube Control and I use SM oil additives and idustrial Boron additives etc.......My post's just do not get much traction when I post them because of little interest. I do not use the stuff one normaly finds on the shelf at AutoZone because most of that stuff has stuff in it I do not want. I actualy have all kinds of additive in my oil right now.

I have 20 onces of MMO and 2 onces of a propiatary oil additive and 4 quarts of conventional oil. I think it is Castrol i used but I do not recall I just remmber it was the cheapest name brand oil at Walmart so it might have been Quaker State as well?

My car has seen all kinds of additives and my used oil analysis always look good. In fact since my car has always had sythentic since 58 miles conventional oil by itself could be considered an additive in this case!LOL

The problem with a lot of additives is that they are not well thought out and they usualy have some stupid additive inthem that does nothing or is harmful. If someone sold an additive that was cheap and contained nothing but ZDDP,BORON,Calcium,Moly in a very concentrated ester carrier oil then it would be fairly popular I think. The problem is they always go crazy in one direction like boat loads of moly or just over based calcium, or they put in all kinds of viscosity improvers etc........No one makes what BITOG people want. The last guy that did was MolaKule with his SX-UP additive!
 
$110? You gotta be kidding me!

I'll buy a $12 can of 'Restore', which uses a somewhat similar technology, and see how IT does before I spend OVER $100...for an OIL ADDITUIVE!

Yeesh!
 
I think it is far better to pay $110 on something that is working, than paying $12 for something that doesn't.

And yes, I have used both.
 
I'm not one for bashing products I haven't tried. I've been around the block though, and this almost sounds like the Slick 50 claims back in the day, when they were selling it for $40 a qt. Expensive doesn't mean better all the time, however people tend to think if they plop down the big $$$$$$$ it has to work. For me, I'll let others spend their money on it and report, and then take those reports with a grain of salt. I'll make sure those people aren't agents of the company getting paid or compensated with product to post their success stories. I want to hear reports from people who have been around a while and are not affiliated with the company. Even then it it checks out I still won't pay $110 for it, sorry.
 
Originally Posted By: addyguy
$110? You gotta be kidding me!

I'll buy a $12 can of 'Restore', which uses a somewhat similar technology, and see how IT does before I spend OVER $100...for an OIL ADDITUIVE!

Yeesh!


But what if no one ever bites the bullet? You sure as heck aren't going to. No one will get to hear results from these obscure products if curious people like me don't bite the bullet. You should thank me for providing information to you on products (that you will never, ever use) in a forum that you have no business hanging out in. Is there a forum in here called "Everything is snake oil except what I use"?
 
RVS - and similar additives last 100,000+kms - restore is lucky if it lasts an OCI.....

SL8R - I ordered and someone dropped it off - I might use it in my mazda in 2010-------- I will run the second treatment - and maybe a third -

Anyway - the original Cermax - and RVS - are the real deal - as far as I am concerned.
 
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