Hummer Global Debut

Sounds good, but the reality has been a little more troubled.
Here is a direct quote from the Wikipedia section on GM's bailout:

Through the Troubled Asset Relief Program the US Treasury invested a total $51 billion into the GM bankruptcy.[93] Until December 10, 2013, the U. S. Treasury recovered $39 billion from selling its GM stake. The final direct cost to the Treasury of the GM bailout was $11[94]-12 billion ($10.5 billion for General Motors and $1.5 billion for former GM financing GMAC, now known as Ally).[95] Local tax incentives amounted to $1.7 billion, most of them in Michigan.[96][97] A study by the Center for Automotive Research found that the GM bailout saved 1.2 million jobs and preserved $34.9 billion in tax revenue.[95]

How could a company as successful as you portray it to be have required so much assistance from our government, with a loss to the US taxpayers of $12 billion?
There was additional generosity from the Canadians and the EU, although not nearly as much.
It is fatuous to contend that saving GM saved jobs or tax revenue, since had GM gone away others would have taken its place and the number of jobs created in out country by various foreign automakers demonstrates this.
Im not portraying anything.
Just stating facts. Americans love GM products and has kept them #1 for 90 years in USA sales. Nothing to argue here, no agenda.

Who cares what the taxpayer looses? No one or they wouldn't allow it, just like the current $7,500 PER CAR that kept Tesla afloat the last few years and only turned a profit for two years out of the last 13+ years. Where would they be? Maybe wouldnt exist at all.

Cant get political here but either way you're going down the wrong road (no pun intended!). One can speculate all they want and this isnt the forum for it but if they made such terrible cars they would not be #1 for 90 years (except 1 year)
 
Im not portraying anything.
Just stating facts. Americans love GM products and has kept them #1 for 90 years in USA sales. Nothing to argue here, no agenda.

Who cares what the taxpayer looses? No one or they wouldn't allow it, just like the current $7,500 PER CAR that kept Tesla afloat the last few years and only turned a profit for two years out of the last 13+ years. Where would they be? Maybe wouldnt exist at all.

Cant get political here but either way you're going down the wrong road (no pun intended!). One can speculate all they want and this isnt the forum for it but if they made such terrible cars they would not be #1 for 90 years (except 1 year)
GM is huge. I might not be that big a fan these days, but they've made some great vehicles and built quite the loyal fanbase. Actually both of my kids told me today that the C8 Corvette is their favorite car and other than my oldest, they've never seen a GM product in our driveway. Kids know cool when they see cool. It sounds to me like the C8 Corvette would be their wall poster these days.
 
Im not portraying anything.
Just stating facts. Americans love GM products and has kept them #1 for 90 years in USA sales. Nothing to argue here, no agenda.

Who cares what the taxpayer looses? No one or they wouldn't allow it, just like the current $7,500 PER CAR that kept Tesla afloat the last few years and only turned a profit for two years out of the last 13+ years. Where would they be? Maybe wouldnt exist at all.

Cant get political here but either way you're going down the wrong road (no pun intended!). One can speculate all they want and this isnt the forum for it but if they made such terrible cars they would not be #1 for 90 years (except 1 year)
You still fail to answer my post as to the reality that GM required 51 billion USD from the federal purse just to survive.
That hardly bespeaks a successful company, but rather one that managed itself into a deep, dark hole and lacked the ability to manage its way out without substantial government assistance.
It would be just as relevant to portray Trabant as a great success based upon their share of the DDR market for decades.
 
You still fail to answer my post as to the reality that GM required 51 billion USD from the federal purse just to survive.
That hardly bespeaks a successful company, but rather one that managed itself into a deep, dark hole and lacked the ability to manage its way out without substantial government assistance.
It would be just as relevant to portray Trabant as a great success based upon their share of the DDR market for decades.
Im not going to answer your question. I could care less. We could answer questions all day long. My post was Americans love GM cars and for 90 years no one sold more cars except one year post covid/ You can deflect that anyway that you want.
One fact is, you try to side step, Year after year Americans buy more GM cars in the USA than any other car maker for 90 years. 51 billion? chump change good for them, take all you can if you can get it, just like all American families do and all American companies do.
 
Im not going to answer your question. I could care less. We could answer questions all day long. My post was Americans love GM cars and for 90 years no one sold more cars except one year post covid/ You can deflect that anyway that you want.
One fact is, you try to side step, Year after year Americans buy more GM cars in the USA than any other car maker for 90 years. 51 billion? chump change good for them, take all you can if you can get it, just like all American families do and all American companies do.
For a guy who could "care less" you sure do keep on replying while avoiding anything of substance.
I'm the one trying to sidestep?
 
Updated 2026 model revealed today.

• Up to 1,160 HP. 0-60 in 2.8 sec.

• Lots of SuperCruise upgrades.

• BiDirectional Vehicle-to-Vehicle and Vehicle-To-Home capability.

• King Crab mode. “When King Crab mode is activated, the rear wheels turn significantly faster than the front wheels. That results in more maneuverability when navigating tight spaces off-road, moving around obstacles or rock crawling. No other 4x4 offers this kind of rear wheel agility.”

That’ll also be an OTA update for older Hummer EVs.

• New dampers



https://news.gm.com/home.detail.htm...MC-HUMMER-EV-capable-advanced-supertruck.html
 
Updated 2026 model revealed today.

• Up to 1,160 HP. 0-60 in 2.8 sec.

• Lots of SuperCruise upgrades.

• BiDirectional Vehicle-to-Vehicle and Vehicle-To-Home capability.

• King Crab mode. “When King Crab mode is activated, the rear wheels turn significantly faster than the front wheels. That results in more maneuverability when navigating tight spaces off-road, moving around obstacles or rock crawling. No other 4x4 offers this kind of rear wheel agility.”

That’ll also be an OTA update for older Hummer EVs.

• New dampers



https://news.gm.com/home.detail.htm...MC-HUMMER-EV-capable-advanced-supertruck.html


The fake engine noise is funny.
It's ridiculous but I still prefer it to a cybertruk.
V2G is cool, but how does that work on the household end?
 
I still don't make enough money to play in this silly world of $100k vehicles. Seriously how do we have so many? There can't be that many buyers that this makes sense. I still don't understand why we don't have a midsize EV pickup.

The Hummer looks cool, I'm just not going to drive a 9k lb truck even if it didn't cost $100k. Just stupidity
 
Probably none other than someone wants to own it and that is okay.
For sure, I’d just be curious of what the needs of the owner are. I don’t see it as an insult, but I’m sure they have quite the income.

It’s cool regardless if I think it’s pointless for me.
 
For sure, I’d just be curious of what the needs of the owner are. I don’t see it as an insult, but I’m sure they have quite the income.

It’s cool regardless if I think it’s pointless for me.
Lotta fancy car owners have the car but not necessarily the means to own them. Back in the later 90's when things started getting hot around here, the parking lot was full of drop dead German cars. I drooled over the 3 Series and Boxsters, but the 911s were on another level. I wondered where all this money came from? Let's just say those of us who drove our Hondas and strippie Toyletta PUs have homes paid off and the fancy pants Macy/Nordy people have moved... But they sure looked cool back in the day!
 
Lotta fancy car owners have the car but not necessarily the means to own them. Back in the later 90's when things started getting hot around here, the parking lot was full of drop dead German cars. I drooled over the 3 Series and Boxsters, but the 911s were on another level. I wondered where all this money came from? Let's just say those of us who drove our Hondas and strippie Toyletta PUs have homes paid off and the fancy pants Macy/Nordy people have moved... But they sure looked cool back in the day!
Just because I'm not willing to live outside my means, I have a hard time picturing buying something crazy without much money, but something has to explain these expensive vehicles. You're definitely right.
 
Just because I'm not willing to live outside my means, I have a hard time picturing buying something crazy without much money, but something has to explain these expensive vehicles. You're definitely right.
In my case, my best thinking and decisions got me into homelessness. I never wanna be there again.
 
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