How much over the speed limit is too much?

[grampi]

Originally Posted by PimTac
If the flow of traffic allows it I will cruise at around 5mph over.

Our freeways here tend to go to two or three lanes once outside of the metro. I generally stay in the right lanes but truck traffic will cause me to go left to pass and then re-enter the right lanes. Inevitably, there is always one knucklehead who has to run 20-30 over the limit. They ride up on my rear with lights flashing. This, even though it is obvious I cannot go right due to traffic. If I have room I move over but that's not always possible.

I wish I had a old beater in those situations. I would brake and let them hit me then sue them to kingdom come.

Reckless and intimidating driving is the real problem today with these kinds of drivers who cut in and out and think they own the road.


These are exactly the idiots I'm talking about. There's always some a-hole who thinks speed limits don't pertain to him/her, and they're weaving from lane to lane passing every vehicle in front of them and tailgating those in their way...I think these drivers are WAY more dangerous than left lane campers....

 

[PimTac]

Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by PimTac
If the flow of traffic allows it I will cruise at around 5mph over.

Our freeways here tend to go to two or three lanes once outside of the metro. I generally stay in the right lanes but truck traffic will cause me to go left to pass and then re-enter the right lanes. Inevitably, there is always one knucklehead who has to run 20-30 over the limit. They ride up on my rear with lights flashing. This, even though it is obvious I cannot go right due to traffic. If I have room I move over but that's not always possible.

I wish I had a old beater in those situations. I would brake and let them hit me then sue them to kingdom come.

Reckless and intimidating driving is the real problem today with these kinds of drivers who cut in and out and think they own the road.


These are exactly the idiots I'm talking about. There's always some a-hole who thinks speed limits don't pertain to him/her, and they're weaving from lane to lane passing every vehicle in front of them and tailgating those in their way...I think these drivers are WAY more dangerous than left lane campers....




I totally agree.

 

[Pew]

Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by turtlevette
Driving at some range over is not really a choice like people are making it out to be here. Its a compromise to be as safe as possible so every car on the road doesn't go around you. Impeding traffic by only going 5 over is more dangerous than flowing with traffic doing 15 - 20 over.




So is the driver doing only 5 over the limit more dangerous than one going 20 MPH faster than traffic flow?


Impeding vs. flowing.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted by grampi
These are exactly the idiots I'm talking about. There's always some a-hole who thinks speed limits don't pertain to him/her, and they're weaving from lane to lane passing every vehicle in front of them and tailgating those in their way...I think these drivers are WAY more dangerous than left lane campers....


I call these folks Radar catchers. I appreciate them taking the ticket while I speed on by.

All joking aside I will only ride someones bumper if they are in the left lane and can move over but choose to just park themselves there and they are doing the speed limit-ish or below and that is only if the lights/horn haven't worked first. But I'm not literally right on their bumper but I would say maybe 15ft back.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted by Pew
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by turtlevette
Driving at some range over is not really a choice like people are making it out to be here. Its a compromise to be as safe as possible so every car on the road doesn't go around you. Impeding traffic by only going 5 over is more dangerous than flowing with traffic doing 15 - 20 over.




So is the driver doing only 5 over the limit more dangerous than one going 20 MPH faster than traffic flow?


Impeding vs. flowing.


How is driving 20 MPH faster than traffic flow "flowing?"

 

[Pew]

Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by Pew
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by turtlevette
Driving at some range over is not really a choice like people are making it out to be here. Its a compromise to be as safe as possible so every car on the road doesn't go around you. Impeding traffic by only going 5 over is more dangerous than flowing with traffic doing 15 - 20 over.




So is the driver doing only 5 over the limit more dangerous than one going 20 MPH faster than traffic flow?


Impeding vs. flowing.


How is driving 20 MPH faster than traffic flow "flowing?"


If it's the top quoted post that's in question, it states "flowing with traffic doing 15-20 over." In which all/majority traffic is flowing 10-15 over the limit.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted by Pew
Impeding vs. flowing.


How is driving 20 MPH faster than traffic flow "flowing?"
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If it's the top quoted post that's in question, it states "flowing with traffic doing 15-20 over." In which all/majority traffic is flowing 10-15 over the limit.[/quote]

That's going with the flow of traffic. I'm talking about the idiots who drive another 20 MPH faster than that...anyone who says that's safer than the left lane camper who is doing 5 over the limit is nuts!

 

[Pew]

Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by Pew
Impeding vs. flowing.


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How is driving 20 MPH faster than traffic flow "flowing?"


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If it's the top quoted post that's in question, it states "flowing with traffic doing 15-20 over." In which all/majority traffic is flowing 10-15 over the limit.


That's going with the flow of traffic. I'm talking about the idiots who drive another 20 MPH faster than that...anyone who says that's safer than the left lane camper who is doing 5 over the limit is nuts!


Yea in that case I think we can all agree with your statement.

 

[PimTac]

"All joking aside I will only ride someones bumper if they are in the left lane and can move over but choose to just park themselves there and they are doing the speed limit-ish or below and that is only if the lights/horn haven't worked first. But I'm not literally right on their bumper but I would say maybe 15ft back. "




No, you ARE riding someone's bumper. This makes you one of those knuckleheads I talked about earlier. 15 feet is nothing.

Some drivers think they own the road. They don't.

 

[StevieC]

And the guy tying up the lane when he can move out of the faster passing lane isn't a Knucklehead? Ok Pim then so be it.

 

[PimTac]

Originally Posted by StevieC
And the guy tying up the lane when he can move out of the faster passing lane isn't a Knucklehead? Ok Pim then so be it.




If I am going 5-6-7mph over the limit in good flowing traffic in the left lane and you come up behind me going even faster and I cannot move over then the burden is on you to slow down. This was the gist of the conversation. There are people who drive timidly. I see them every hour I drive. I go around them. I don't get bent because I was inconvenienced somehow.

I know you are pressured for time having to drive 200km a day for your commute ( remembered from another thread) and then work a full day, yet you have time to post here constantly. I hope you are not posting while driving?

 

[The_Jeff]

Assigning a numerical speed that's "okay" is a value judgement, and everyone will have a different answer.

If you have a car behind you, but not one in front of you, and there's an opening to your right, that's not a value, that's an absolute. And it's wrong.

I get that when traffic gets thick, someone in the left lane "earned" that spot and can stay in it while they slowly pass the next lane to the right. If they're a safe (2-3 second) distance from the guy in front of them they're "stuck" and doing nothing wrong. It's only when there's a bonehead in front of this conga-line with a wide open lane, that's what's unsatisfactory. This is of course an unsafe situation as middle-laners tire of their lot in life and try to shove their way over into the tiniest gaps. The blocker is never held responsible, and rarely aware of the situation well-behind them.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by StevieC
And the guy tying up the lane when he can move out of the faster passing lane isn't a Knucklehead? Ok Pim then so be it.




If I am going 5-6-7mph over the limit in good flowing traffic in the left lane and you come up behind me going even faster and I cannot move over then the burden is on you to slow down. This was the gist of the conversation. There are people who drive timidly. I see them every hour I drive. I go around them. I don't get bent because I was inconvenienced somehow.

I know you are pressured for time having to drive 200km a day for your commute ( remembered from another thread) and then work a full day, yet you have time to post here constantly. I hope you are not posting while driving?




If you read my post I talked about the guy being able to move over. If it's heavy volume then it's a non-issue so long as you aren't the one creating a stream of traffic behind you with no one in front of you then you will get the tailgate syndrome. Sorry.

Second this week has been a slow week (mentioned that in another thread) so I have been in the office with not much to do and a lot of what I do revolves around waiting on Japan for answers and the time delay can create slow-downs. It's like that. Other times it's all hands on deck kind of crazy. I also have access on the road because I have mobile internet on my work computer and sometimes I have time to kill before the next appointment. So yeah, sometimes I have lots of time to spend here and not at other times. All while I drive 200+ KM a day.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted by StevieC
And the guy tying up the lane when he can move out of the faster passing lane isn't a Knucklehead? Ok Pim then so be it.


Of course he is, but does that mean the guy who comes flying up from behind at 20-30 over the limit, then tailgates the LLCer is any less of one?

 

[StevieC]

I agree to disagree. Have a great Friday.

 

[PimTac]

I drove about 350 miles yesterday in fairly decent traffic for once. Of course I encountered a few knuckleheads along the way. It's inevitable. These punks that like to ride my tail always prompt memories of the tow hitch my dad had. On the bottom he installed a hook to use as a puller when we pulled cut logs out of the woods during the gas rationing days.

That hook would do just fine for these obstinate knuckleheads. Let them come up and do their DYKWIA thing then I would hit the brakes so that tow hitch would set deep in their front end, then speed up and watch the front of that car come right off.

Drive safely.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted by StevieC
I agree to disagree. Have a great Friday.


You agree to disagree? Does that mean you approve of drivers doing 20-30 MPH over the limit and tailgating?

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by StevieC
I agree to disagree. Have a great Friday.


You agree to disagree? Does that mean you approve of drivers doing 20-30 MPH over the limit and tailgating?


The speed limits are far too low in the name of revenue generation, to think otherwise is ridiculous. Speed itself doesn't cause accidents, poor driving skill or not driving according to the road conditions that exist is the problem. I have almost 2,000,000km (1.2 million miles) behind the wheel accident free (on my part). All of which has not been at the speed limit except when road conditions didn't warrant increased speed due to things like weather, and certainly not in residential areas or school zones.

As for tailgating. The only time I do it is when there is some turkey blocking the left lane doing about or just under the speed limit and the lane beside them is clear to move over. I never follow closer than about 15ft but enough to get my point across. Horn and Light flashing has been tried first.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by StevieC
I agree to disagree. Have a great Friday.


You agree to disagree? Does that mean you approve of drivers doing 20-30 MPH over the limit and tailgating?


The speed limits are far too low in the name of revenue generation, to think otherwise is ridiculous. Speed itself doesn't cause accidents, poor driving skill or not driving according to the road conditions that exist is the problem. I have almost 2,000,000km (1.2 million miles) behind the wheel accident free (on my part). All of which has not been at the speed limit except when road conditions didn't warrant increased speed due to things like weather, and certainly not in residential areas or school zones.

As for tailgating. The only time I do it is when there is some turkey blocking the left lane doing about or just under the speed limit and the lane beside them is clear to move over. I never follow closer than about 15ft but enough to get my point across. Horn and Light flashing has been tried first.



What you've described is an aggressive driver, bordering on road rager. I don't think most people would say speeding is a problem as long as it's going with traffic flow, I don't think it is either, but you seem to condone the speed racers who drive 20+ MPH faster than everyone else...and tailgating is NEVER acceptable, and it doesn't matter how slow someone is going in the left lane. In your scenario, why don't you just go around the guy on the right instead of tailgating? I don't like LLCers any more than anyone else, but I don't tailgate them either...

 

[StevieC]

You need to drive on our expensive told highway, Hwy 407 where the posted speed limit is 100kph (about 62mph) and most folks in the left lane are doing 130-140kph (81-87mph) Keep in mind that drivers caught doing 150kph (93mph) or over have their vehicle seized on the spot, are fined up to $10,000 and automatic license suspension.

Everyday you see some premium vehicles like a high end sports car etc. being attached to a tow truck from the left lane with a cop flashing their lights and the person getting their ticket.

Yes with the volume of cars this highway moves everyday which is in the tens of thousands there are very few accidents. I travel about 200km (120 miles) of this road daily. Again it's the regular highways congested with heavy traffic where people are moving at a fraction of this speed are doing things to distract themselves from the stop-go and there are multiple accidents daily so much so our local AM radio station reports the road conditions on these highway on the 10's of the hour using choppers/planes to keep an eye on things to let drivers take alternate routes to avoid the nightmare.

So you see it one way I see it another which is why I agreed to disagree.

BTW if you want to see my dashcam footage of this highway which puts the speed on the video I will gladly upload it to my Google Drive and link to it here.