How many miles for first oil change?

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Follow the OM. But if that is going to make you lose sleep at night, then change it early and move on with your life.

There is no hard evidence that changing early will extend your engine's life, just like there is no hard evidence to the contrary.
 
I bought a 2014 Camaro this spring with LS3 V8. I did the first change at 995 miles for two reasons. #1, my tuner asked me to change the oil prior to his installation of headers and a dynotune; #2 My Chevy dealer said I could get the four oil changes covered by their included new car maintenance program at any mileage interval I wanted. So, I went in early, did the mod work (which includes several runs to redline) and will do #2 at the dealer at about 3000 OCI. Once I use up the "freebies" from Chevy, I'll do my own with M1 at the OLM intervals.

I can be accused of overkill but I look at it this way: I paid Chevy for four oil changes at my convenience; my tuner knows a lot more about engines than I do-why not follow his advice, especially when it costs me nothing? This thing will be cleaned out by the time I start DIY'ing. Fresh oil without break-in metals build up can't hurt, right? I'm very content with this plan.
 
Thanks again for all Your Replies & Advice! I knew I would get many different opinions! Which there is nothing wrong with that.

440 Magnum: Thanks for the advice on the Catch Can! At the 100 mile mark I installed a Billet Tech Catch Can! Looks like it was installed at the Factory!

I did a lot of research on this 5.7L Hemi a few weeks before I bought this one and knew this was one of the first mods I was going to do.

I seen many pics of other Hemi owners who installed the catch can and I was shocked at the amount of oil that was sucked back into the intake. I decided right then I was not going to let this happen to mine.

I did install a Fram Ultra oil filter at the 450 mile mark. Just woke up one morning @ 3am and told myself I needed to do this! I know I'm Ate Up with this!

The 8HP70 is amazing! It is so smooth and goes through the shifts so Fast! The 5.7L/8HP70/3:92 gear ratio is a awesome combo. I have not towed anything yet. The first 4 shifts are very fast then it seems to spread out more.

Once again guys! Thanks for your advice and opinions!

I now have to chose what Oil to go with for the life of the 5.7L. I have used M1 since I was 18. I'm very interested in Pennzoils Pure Plus! I really seem to enjoy worrying about the small stuff! I have no idea why I do it! LoL!

Thanks again!
 
440 Magnum: One more comment on your question.

I visited with Joe @ ZF about this 8PH70 on the phone + email.

I had no idea who even made the transmission when I bought the truck. {This makes me feel even better about my purchase.}

Joe kinda in a round about way! [He] recommends I-->have the 8PH70 serviced between 60K & 100K miles. Depending on my spirited driving style and the amount of towing done.

In my opinion this special 8-speed just makes this truck that much better.

Not to change the subject! but 440Magnum since you own a Hemi.

A lot of owners are installing these 180*F T-stats. To make their 5.7L run much cooler! Which in turn makes their oil run cooler.

I have not really hit close to 210*F oil Temps. I would like to keep the oil temp between 190-220*F. This all with the Stock T-stat.

What are your thoughts on swapping in the 180*F T-Stat to make everything run cooler?
 
What does the OM say?
If Chryco felt that an early change were desirable, they'd either recommend it or at least hint that you could maybe do one.
Honda is real clear in their recent OMs that the FF should be run for a normal interval, so that's what I did.
Prior to that, I was always a fan of 1K drains of FF.
What do you want to do?
Whether you drain the FF now or 4K from now, a used oil analysis will reveal a veritable metal soup.
After a couple of regular changes, wear metals will settle down to a reasonable level where they'll remain for as long as the thing lasts.
I don't really think it matters one way or the other.
If you'd feel better changing it, do so.
If not, I don't think that you'll do any harm.
 
Originally Posted By: -SyN-

A lot of owners are installing these 180*F T-stats. To make their 5.7L run much cooler! Which in turn makes their oil run cooler.

I have not really hit close to 210*F oil Temps. I would like to keep the oil temp between 190-220*F. This all with the Stock T-stat.

What are your thoughts on swapping in the 180*F T-Stat to make everything run cooler?


Someone implied that changing the oil early was second-guessing the engineers who designed the vehicle. I'd hardly call it that since there's no special break-in oil used, and especially not compared to tweaking the T-stat temp. That's one area where I really don't second-guess the engineers. They have the thermal management set up for efficiency and long life, why should I screw with it? Guys who do lower the T-stat temperature do see a little more power output, and honestly 10-15 degrees isn't going to hurt anything. But I don't think its worth the effort personally. My SRT parks the engine oil temp pretty much between 220F and 230F regardless of outside temp and almost regardless of driving habits ("spirited" driving does send it up, but the highest I've yet seen is about 238F just for a few minutes). 220-230F is right in the "happy" zone for minimum cylinder wall wear, and isn't a problem for modern oils. I'd only really worry if I consistently saw over 250F.
 
Arco needs to refrain from giving advice on how to prolong the life of an engine. Unless you want to emulate his experience of blowing quite a few engines.
 
The oil filter filters the smaller particles as it clogs and filters best just before it goes into bypass. The first oil filter will filter the best as it is the most "clogged" the engine should ever see. Maybe change the oil early but leave the oil filter in place for the full recommended OCI. A new oil filter will filter worse.
 
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Arco needs to refrain from giving advice on how to prolong the life of an engine. Unless you want to emulate his experience of blowing quite a few engines.

ARCO hasn't had a failure in a while. I think the manufacturers have gotten to know him and only give him ringers now.
 
Chrysler uses PBY and nothing else. Even if it came with more moly still I would had changed the FF sooner than later. My 13 duarngo (3.6) got new fresh oil at 600 miles with some breakin additive.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: -SyN-

A lot of owners are installing these 180*F T-stats. To make their 5.7L run much cooler! Which in turn makes their oil run cooler.

I have not really hit close to 210*F oil Temps. I would like to keep the oil temp between 190-220*F. This all with the Stock T-stat.

What are your thoughts on swapping in the 180*F T-Stat to make everything run cooler?


Someone implied that changing the oil early was second-guessing the engineers who designed the vehicle. I'd hardly call it that since there's no special break-in oil used, and especially not compared to tweaking the T-stat temp. That's one area where I really don't second-guess the engineers. They have the thermal management set up for efficiency and long life, why should I screw with it? Guys who do lower the T-stat temperature do see a little more power output, and honestly 10-15 degrees isn't going to hurt anything. But I don't think its worth the effort personally. My SRT parks the engine oil temp pretty much between 220F and 230F regardless of outside temp and almost regardless of driving habits ("spirited" driving does send it up, but the highest I've yet seen is about 238F just for a few minutes). 220-230F is right in the "happy" zone for minimum cylinder wall wear, and isn't a problem for modern oils. I'd only really worry if I consistently saw over 250F.



My RT charger ran at 213f consistently whether at 70mph on the highway or just normal city type driving on 5w-20.
With 0w-40 oil temps get no higher than 205f driving the same way and only when I get my foot into it and use that 390tq will oil temps get elevated.


As far as early oil changes that might have been required in the old days of cars and engines however with the advancements in bore finishes,metallurgy and so on there is no reason whatsoever to question the oem as far as lubricant intervals.
Any break in debris is easily caught by the oil filter and whatever isn't caught is too small to cause any damage.
If you wanted to you could change the filter early because of possible loading of the media but I think even that is overkill to be honest.
Now an engine rebuilder may not have the ability nor sophistication of an oem,so their rebuilds may require a shorter first interval,as well as a different oil but we aren't talking about a rebuild here,we are referring to an auto manufacturer that produces millions of engines annually,who's owners follow the manual as far as break in procedure and these owners,and subsequent owners if sold,routinely amass 300000+ miles without fail.
So I must ask. What do you think you will accomplish by changing the oil earlier than the manual recommends?
Because by just looking at how long engines run without doing anything special/spending extra money,will you improve on those numbers.
Will changing the oil early net you more when you either try to sell or trade it in.
Because honestly if the added cost doesn't either pay off with either more miles til rebuild,or net more at resale then it's money wasted.
It's your money and I don't care how you spend it,I'm just pointing out the obvious.
 
The whole "break in" thing is basically a myth anymore. Save your money.

I am not familiar with the knock sensor programming on the new gen Hemis, but on the original line up they were set extremely conservatively.

At around 190 they begin pulling massive amounts of timing. But a lower temp stat does little without reprogramming the cooling fans.

If set up properly you can keep a lot of the response that goes away as timing is retarded. Peak power remains virtually the same, and as long as the engine runs hot enough there is no extra wear or downside.
 
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Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: -SyN-

A lot of owners are installing these 180*F T-stats. To make their 5.7L run much cooler! Which in turn makes their oil run cooler.

I have not really hit close to 210*F oil Temps. I would like to keep the oil temp between 190-220*F. This all with the Stock T-stat.

What are your thoughts on swapping in the 180*F T-Stat to make everything run cooler?


Someone implied that changing the oil early was second-guessing the engineers who designed the vehicle....


Up until 2008 the Hemi used a 203F themostat. In 2009 Dodge switched to a 190F thermostat. Are we back to the 203F thermostat for 2014?

The engineers only longevity concern is that the powertrain lasts the length of the warranty. They need second guessing, and beyond.
 
Financial consideration is a different aspect of how one cares about his vehicles and not totally relevant here. Why won't look into an ff drain and see what is going on before hand. I have not seen one decent looking drain even at 2k miles let alone what manufacturer says. it is hard to find too many FF drain w low fuel%. For your info dodge says 10k or go by oil monitor. Unless there are linings I would never go by manufacturer's early days. I do the same on my bikes and been very thrilled with performance of my engines on day to day and long term. Two extra oil change conventional or synthetic is not ony cheap it is priceless.
 
I've always changed at 1500 and then 5000 miles, then 5000 miles thereafter. It's worked for me. I don't mind the work and the parts are cheap.

I'll do used oil analysis for the first two changes just to ensure there are no problems, then whenever I feel like getting them afterwards.
 
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