High Oil Consumption with Motul 300V 5w40 ...

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Maintinance History: It is a GR86 with under 30k miles. The car has an unusually frequent oil change history that a nonBITOGER would consider excessive: Break in change at 1k mile, then every 3k miles with Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w20. Then Used Kirkland 5w30 for 3K miles, and moved to Motul 300V 5w40 for 4 changes. Used Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 once, and now on Valvoline Restore and Protect (5:1 mix of 5w20 and 5w30). It also got 2 complimentary oil change at Toyota with 0w20, but then changed back in less than 500 miles.

The Vehicle: It`s US manual specs 0w20, but Australian/Japanese manuals permits 5w30 (no surprise). It is shown to have some serious oil pressure drop issues on track on hard right hand turns especially if the vehicle has significant grip upgrades (mine is pretty much stock). It is also shown that overfilling it by about 0.5-1 quart helps alleviating it. The spec is 5.3 quarts on each oil change, which brings me exactly to the full mark (or a couple millimeters below). I have been putting 6 quarts each time, corresponding to a 0.7 quart overfill. On each track day, I check the oil level in the morning, mid day (waiting at least 1 hour to let all the oil drain to the pan), and once in the evening. I marked the 6 quart level on the dipstick, and never let the oil fall below the mid point between the full mark and 6 quart mark.

Usage: It sees a mix of track days, highway miles to the track, and maybe 50 miles of short trips as my daily for every 1K mile.

Oil Consumption Log:
Motul 300V 5w-40 1st fill: 0.4 quart top up (4 track days, 13XX miles)
Motul 300V 5w-40 2nd fill: 0.6 quarts (4 track days and 1 autocross, 17XX miles)
(Installed 200TW tires here)
Motul 300V 5w-40 3rd fill: 1.1 quarts (4 track days, 15XX miles)
Motul 300V 5w-40 4th fill: 1.5 quarts (3 track days, 32XX miles, mostly highway, all in <10 days)
Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30: 0 quarts (2 track days, 22XX miles, mostly highway all in 1 week)
(Installed All season tires)
Valvoline Restore and Protect 5w-20 and 5w-30 mix (5:1): 0 quarts (0 track days, 30XX miles, mix of short trips and highway)

Up until trying Mobil 1 ESP, I was under the impression that my car burns 0.5 - 0.7 quart per track weekend, and that was what it was. As it progressively got worse, i thought it might be a PCV issue, so I bought a replacement but I was waiting for Valvoline Restore and Protect to do its magic before replacing the PCV. (As someone from Valvoline said that their additive might be reaching the piston rings through PCV). And seeing absolutely no noticeable oil consumption with Mobil 1 ESP and Valvoline Restore and Protect, I don`t think I will install the new PCV any time soon.

I have the assumption that Motul 300V is one of the best oils for track usage, but perhaps not the best choice for the cat purposes. I would have expected the oil to be much less volatile than that, but @JAG also has already shown (link here) that it is highly volatile (around 15.4%). I guess this is also a good testament to the work @JAG has been doing with his volatility tests.

So my question is, can there be a strategic reason to why might one make race oil more volatile? Or would you think there is another variable here I am missing that might cause the drastic difference?
 
Maintinance History: It is a GR86 with under 30k miles. The car has an unusually frequent oil change history that a nonBITOGER would consider excessive: Break in change at 1k mile, then every 3k miles with Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w20. Then Used Kirkland 5w30 for 3K miles, and moved to Motul 300V 5w40 for 4 changes. Used Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 once, and now on Valvoline Restore and Protect (5:1 mix of 5w20 and 5w30). It also got 2 complimentary oil change at Toyota with 0w20, but then changed back in less than 500 miles.

The Vehicle: It`s US manual specs 0w20, but Australian/Japanese manuals permits 5w30 (no surprise). It is shown to have some serious oil pressure drop issues on track on hard right hand turns especially if the vehicle has significant grip upgrades (mine is pretty much stock). It is also shown that overfilling it by about 0.5-1 quart helps alleviating it. The spec is 5.3 quarts on each oil change, which brings me exactly to the full mark (or a couple millimeters below). I have been putting 6 quarts each time, corresponding to a 0.7 quart overfill. On each track day, I check the oil level in the morning, mid day (waiting at least 1 hour to let all the oil drain to the pan), and once in the evening. I marked the 6 quart level on the dipstick, and never let the oil fall below the mid point between the full mark and 6 quart mark.

Usage: It sees a mix of track days, highway miles to the track, and maybe 50 miles of short trips as my daily for every 1K mile.

Oil Consumption Log:
Motul 300V 5w-40 1st fill: 0.4 quart top up (4 track days, 13XX miles)
Motul 300V 5w-40 2nd fill: 0.6 quarts (4 track days and 1 autocross, 17XX miles)
(Installed 200TW tires here)
Motul 300V 5w-40 3rd fill: 1.1 quarts (4 track days, 15XX miles)
Motul 300V 5w-40 4th fill: 1.5 quarts (3 track days, 32XX miles, mostly highway, all in <10 days)
Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30: 0 quarts (2 track days, 22XX miles, mostly highway all in 1 week)
(Installed All season tires)
Valvoline Restore and Protect 5w-20 and 5w-30 mix (5:1): 0 quarts (0 track days, 30XX miles, mix of short trips and highway)

Up until trying Mobil 1 ESP, I was under the impression that my car burns 0.5 - 0.7 quart per track weekend, and that was what it was. As it progressively got worse, i thought it might be a PCV issue, so I bought a replacement but I was waiting for Valvoline Restore and Protect to do its magic before replacing the PCV. (As someone from Valvoline said that their additive might be reaching the piston rings through PCV). And seeing absolutely no noticeable oil consumption with Mobil 1 ESP and Valvoline Restore and Protect, I don`t think I will install the new PCV any time soon.

I have the assumption that Motul 300V is one of the best oils for track usage, but perhaps not the best choice for the cat purposes. I would have expected the oil to be much less volatile than that, but @JAG also has already shown (link here) that it is highly volatile (around 15.4%). I guess this is also a good testament to the work @JAG has been doing with his volatility tests.

So my question is, can there be a strategic reason to why might one make race oil more volatile? Or would you think there is another variable here I am missing that might cause the drastic difference?

I can't give you an educated answer, but I do know their 300V is their racing oil and at least in Europe is greatly used and longed for on their track vehicles. Whether that is all hoop-lah with no real basis, I don't know. I know I use Motul 8100 X Clean EFE 0W-30 in my 25 Toyota Rav4 with the 2.5L gas non-hybrid. This owner's manual calls for 0W-16. This engine is more quiet and smoother sounding on the Motul 0W-30. There has been no oil consumption with this oil yet nor can I see a noticeable lowering of my fuel milage compared to using the 0W-16. This car will not see a "track day" however. Motul does have a very responsive customer service that I have used both by telephone and e-mail. That is all I can offer about Motul. I will post their USA website here if you need it.

https://www.motul.com/en-US
 
My kid had a C30 Volvo, thing burned Mobil 1 0w40 and 5w40, Castrol 5w40 but not Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5w30 in 5-7k oci's. Some cars burn certain oils, and not others, which could be plausible here too.
 
Usually it's normal for an engine to burn more oil when pushed at the track. Also it's normal to burn more if overfilled as you did. If the oil consumption went away after you changed the oil, then it means it's just the oil, not a mechanical issue.
Why did you choose 300V 5W-40 over 5W-30?
 
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Is this 300V 5w-40 US-blended?

2021, per Motul via email to a German inquirer- 7.4% Noack
2013,Russian lab - 9%
Mid-2022 prod. , Russian lab - 8.1% (Made in France)
 
true,from my experience is true.
your engine is bulletproof! what can i say
My engine just uses 0.5qt/ltr in 5,000mls of whatever is inside :)
Tiguan likes aldo drink maybe around that amount unless Mobil 1, ANY Mobil 1. Then doesn’t use anything.
 
Is this 300V 5w-40 US-blended?

2021, per Motul via email to a German inquirer- 7.4% Noack
2013,Russian lab - 9%
Mid-2022 prod. , Russian lab - 8.1% (Made in France)
I asked them this before and they told me last summer it was exclusively blended in france
 
Is this 300V 5w-40 US-blended?

2021, per Motul via email to a German inquirer- 7.4% Noack
2013,Russian lab - 9%
Mid-2022 prod. , Russian lab - 8.1% (Made in France)
Slight increase in consumption or decrease doesn’t mean anything when it comes to quality of oil.
 
Try a different oil.

If you want to stick with racing oil, try the Rowe hightech racing 0w40.

It has ridiculous specs. NOACK is 4% and flash point 256c. It’s also $85 for a 5 liter jug.

https://www.uspmotorsports.com/prod...-racing-motor-oil-20092-75720789?sku=75720791

https://oil-club.de/index.php?thread/2968-rowe-hightec-racing-motor-oil-0w-40/&pageNo=2

https://oil-club.de/index.php?thread/2968-rowe-hightec-racing-motor-oil-0w-40/&l=2

There is also Ravenol REP and RUP which also have impressive specs which may be harder to source.
 
Usage: It sees a mix of track days,
Track Days, when you are on the Track if you do not have a Dry Sump Oil Pan, you need an Oil Accumulator! With a wet sump system, you can get an oil pan with baffles and trap doors, but there are limitations. There is a reason why Chevrolet with the new Corvette, whatever year and engine it was, LS2 or something, went to a Dry Sump System.
Your issue is not the oil that you are using during Track Days, but finding a way to keep this engine properly lubricated while you are doing your Track Day Stuff! Straight line driving is ok for a wet sump system with enough oil capacity, going around curves at high speeds is different.

Track Days, Mobil 1 ESP, not 5W-30
I am starting to think Catch Can!

You might want to call HPL and talk with them and explain everything.
 
I can't give you an educated answer, but I do know their 300V is their racing oil and at least in Europe is greatly used and longed for on their track vehicles. Whether that is all hoop-lah with no real basis, I don't know. I know I use Motul 8100 X Clean EFE 0W-30 in my 25 Toyota Rav4 with the 2.5L gas non-hybrid. This owner's manual calls for 0W-16. This engine is more quiet and smoother sounding on the Motul 0W-30. There has been no oil consumption with this oil yet nor can I see a noticeable lowering of my fuel milage compared to using the 0W-16. This car will not see a "track day" however. Motul does have a very responsive customer service that I have used both by telephone and e-mail. That is all I can offer about Motul. I will post their USA website here if you need it.

https://www.motul.com/en-US
I don`t have a reason to doubt the quality of this oil. It is their halo product, even 8100 series is marketed as "inspired by 300V."
I guess my high burn might be similar to what @wlk shared, I’ve heard people share experiences where their car consumes oil with Brand X but not with Brand Y, only to find someone else reporting the exact opposite. I have no idea how that works. @edyvw `s car seems to have no consumption issue with it, so I guess that is more realted to somehow my car enjoying the taste of it. But still its volatility seems to be high, and I am curious if there is a spesific ester group that the blender decided that the performance was so good that higher volatility worths it
 
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From my personal experience, using a higher viscosity oil in a healthy engine has sometimes resulted in higher levels of oil consumption.
This would make sense, but the viscosity difference is not that much between them. 100C D455 viscosity is 11.9 for ESP, 13.5 for Motul 300V. One is on the thicker end of the grade, the other is on the thinner. And the overfill amount and how much I the engine pushed should be pretty much the same across the board.

Though this is still the only explanation I have for the difference in consumption. Lets see if the consumption gets better after Valvoline Restore and Protect and a new PCV


Is this 300V 5w-40 US-blended?

2021, per Motul via email to a German inquirer- 7.4% Noack
2013,Russian lab - 9%
Mid-2022 prod. , Russian lab - 8.1% (Made in France)
Made in France, according to the can.
Try a different oil.

If you want to stick with racing oil, try the Rowe hightech racing 0w40.

It has ridiculous specs. NOACK is 4% and flash point 256c. It’s also $85 for a 5 liter jug.

https://www.uspmotorsports.com/prod...-racing-motor-oil-20092-75720789?sku=75720791

https://oil-club.de/index.php?thread/2968-rowe-hightec-racing-motor-oil-0w-40/&pageNo=2

https://oil-club.de/index.php?thread/2968-rowe-hightec-racing-motor-oil-0w-40/&l=2

There is also Ravenol REP and RUP which also have impressive specs which may be harder to source.
This one seems quite interesting. FCP carries Motul, so for now it is cheaper, but perhaps I might move to something else later on.
Usually it's normal for an engine to burn more oil when pushed at the track. Also it's normal to burn more if overfilled as you did. If the oil consumption went away after you changed the oil, then it means it's just the oil, not a mechanical issue.
Why did you choose 300V 5W-40 over 5W-30?
I did not have an oil cooler, so wanted to go with something of higher viscosity then what is recommended for street driving outside of the US. I will probably be installing a cooler for the next season, so might go down to 5w30
 
Track Days, when you are on the Track if you do not have a Dry Sump Oil Pan, you need an Oil Accumulator! With a wet sump system, you can get an oil pan with baffles and trap doors, but there are limitations. There is a reason why Chevrolet with the new Corvette, whatever year and engine it was, LS2 or something, went to a Dry Sump System.
Your issue is not the oil that you are using during Track Days, but finding a way to keep this engine properly lubricated while you are doing your Track Day Stuff! Straight line driving is ok for a wet sump system with enough oil capacity, going around curves at high speeds is different.

Track Days, Mobil 1 ESP, not 5W-30
I am starting to think Catch Can!

You might want to call HPL and talk with them and explain everything.
Exactly, you have a very good point. Once I get into all the grip and handling upgrades, I will be installing a flexfuel kit that also adds an oil pressure sensor. I think that should give me a good idea if that really becomes a necessity.
 
I don`t have a reason to doubt the quality of this oil. It is their halo product, even 8100 series is marketed as "inspired by 300V."
I guess my high burn might be similar to what @wlk shared, I’ve heard people share experiences where their car consumes oil with Brand X but not with Brand Y, only to find someone else reporting the exact opposite. I have no idea how that works. @edyvw `s car seems to have no consumption issue with it, so I guess that is more realted to somehow my car enjoying the taste of it. But still its volatility seems to be high, and I am curious if there is a spesific ester group that the blender decided that the performance was so good that higher volatility worths it
there are many members here and in other forums that share the same thought .me personally i cant explain why my car burns the bmw tpt oil faster than any other oil.and its a good oil as edyvw mentioned here.
 
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