As the title states - who is in favor (or not) doing the first oil change on a new vehicle at or before the 2,000 mile mark ? The theory is the first couple of thousand miles on a new vehicle engine result in increased break in debris / metal fragments in the engine that you want to get out of the engine ASAP. Other opinions suggest that new vehicles are supposedly shipped with special break in oil that you should leave in the engine the full OCI and not dump early. Subsequent OCI’s would then be the longer, normal recommendations (i.e. 5,000 mile / 6 months). Your thoughts and experiences regarding the above ?
New Vehicle : Early First Oil Change Or Not ?
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Not. Some come with a higher moly oil, but even if they don't, the engines are already run in from the factory.
This theory had it place 25+ years ago, but no longer.
This theory had it place 25+ years ago, but no longer.
Depends on the vehicle. I've heard that Hondas used to use a specific break in oil. I was told that GM's only fill to a minimum capacity and the dealer prep tops off everything with the oils they have. So I changed my GM trucks early (pre 1000 miles). Did I do anything right or wrong? No idea. They all ran fine when I sold them,
Sample PC-00662 is a used oil analysis of the OEM oil at 494 miles. Silicon is 90ppm and wear metals came in at a rate of 159.9/1000 miles. Fuel dilution is 0.68.
The OEM oil is nothing special. No major automobile manufacturer is using a "special break-in oil". The high level of molybdenum is due to the assembly process, not because the OEM oil has super-high levels. Engines are not run-in from the factory.
The OEM oil is nothing special. No major automobile manufacturer is using a "special break-in oil". The high level of molybdenum is due to the assembly process, not because the OEM oil has super-high levels. Engines are not run-in from the factory.
Not what I read.
Agreed. I did an early oil change and had a sample sent to Blackstone due the well documented bearing failures in early Tundras.
I have never owned a new gas vehicle but if I did I'd change it early, yes. Maybe at 1K and 3K miles and then just move on to whatever the typical OCI is.
Our 1st auto oil change is typically 2,000 - 2,500 miles. Been doing that all my life. Is it better? Is it worse? I don't know.
Our new power equipment normally gets changed out after the first five hours of use.
Motorcycles at 500 miles.
My opinions. Your opinions can, and will vary.
Our new power equipment normally gets changed out after the first five hours of use.
Motorcycles at 500 miles.
My opinions. Your opinions can, and will vary.
I would probably go with 3-5k or 6 months from delivery whichever comes first. The rest is too much to think about.
You may find some answers to this oft-asked question in these previous threads. A few touch on the ancillary question about break-in:
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New one on me but a search reveled there is such a thing...
Break in oil.... does Toyota use it?
Should I really wait till 10K mark to first oil change?
Being old school when we rebuilt V-8's in the 70's-80's a 1000 mile oil change standard. Of course that was crude oil 30w that only got like 3000 miles!
I can't imagine Toyota risking their engines to save on one "free" (we paid for it; don't kid yourself!) oil change....well maybe I can!
This is my very first brand new vehicle so want to make sure I do it right from...
New one on me but a search reveled there is such a thing...
Break in oil.... does Toyota use it?
Should I really wait till 10K mark to first oil change?
Being old school when we rebuilt V-8's in the 70's-80's a 1000 mile oil change standard. Of course that was crude oil 30w that only got like 3000 miles!
I can't imagine Toyota risking their engines to save on one "free" (we paid for it; don't kid yourself!) oil change....well maybe I can!
This is my very first brand new vehicle so want to make sure I do it right from...
What's it going to hurt by changing early nothing !
What's the benefit millions upon millions have never had an early change with no harm !
Unless you buy into Hyundai/Kia nonsense about debris left behind on manufacture instead of owning up to the real issue.
What's the benefit millions upon millions have never had an early change with no harm !
Unless you buy into Hyundai/Kia nonsense about debris left behind on manufacture instead of owning up to the real issue.
Maybe search button is broken? I don't thinks so as kschachn used it. Either way, insert that beating a dead horse emoji.
Also, since Lickity Split 10 Speed Lake guy says the oil filter gets more efficient as you load it up, I say leave that sucker on a new car for at least 20K.
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sarcasm. Please don't do that.
Has anyone ever seen a can or bottle of, "break in oil"? What does it look like? What does it have or not have that makes it so magical? Where do you buy it? What if you put it in a car with 250,000 miles on it? Would the crankshaft fall out?
I think this whole thing got started in a bar somewhere on a Saturday afternoon. Then one of the guys flew across the country the next day, and started spreading it there. Before you know it, "break in oil" was the most popular thing that was never seen coast to coast.
I think this whole thing got started in a bar somewhere on a Saturday afternoon. Then one of the guys flew across the country the next day, and started spreading it there. Before you know it, "break in oil" was the most popular thing that was never seen coast to coast.
One of the great things about the World Wide Web... data can be found to support or refute whatever position a person has on most any subject.
Years ago When I was in high school, I toured the GM plant in Linden nj, when they were still there. At that time they were building Cadillac's there. And later in the '90's they switched to building Chevy's. The tour was from the first pieces installed on a car, to the very end. At the end of the line, each car was filled with oils and a few gallons of gas, Then Started, and run to a Dyno. They tested every function of the transmission and engine. I witnessed them running these minute old cars run up to 120 MPH, and held there for a few minutes. Then squealing the tires when driving it to a staging area. If something wasn't right, they knew it right away. This was in the 'early '70's. So I've heard of people that change their oil when they got home from picking it up from the dealer, I gotta laugh. What about the thousands of cars that start their oil change regimen at 5k miles like the book says, and the engine's last for hundred's of thousands of miles ?. Chances are the rest of your car will fall apart before the engine does. Your cars engine is a lot tougher then most people think.,,
A lot of the boutique oil manufacturers make a break in oil. Motul, Royal Purple, Lucas, Redline, Amsoil, etc. It is not, however, for passenger cars in this context.
I say follow the manufacturer maintenance schedule for Japanese and Euro vehicles but change early on Kia, Hyundai, Ford, Chev, Chrysler, Jeep, etc.
I just did an early change with my new hemi durango. I took a sample to and will send it in. Is it going to miraculously mean this engine lasts 400k? If it lasts that long i doubt this early change is going to be the reason. Does it give me a warm and fuzzy feeling? Sure does!
As for factory oil my owners manual says the engine was shipped with a synthetic high quality resource conserving type engine lubricant.
As for factory oil my owners manual says the engine was shipped with a synthetic high quality resource conserving type engine lubricant.
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