How Many Here Are Turned Off By Electric Vehicles ?

[Kiwi_ME]

I was hoping you'd also explain why you don't need road signs to find chargers.

 

[javacontour]

I was hoping you'd also explain why you don't need road signs to find chargers.

I know how it works.

You missed the key part about making them visible to those who DON'T currently used electric vehicles. They don't know because they don't see the chargers in the same way they see the gas stations.

I know the cars have navigation to the chargers embedded into the car's infotainment system. So that's preaching to the choir so to speak. It doesn't help the other 99% of motorists who don't have one of these cars know the charging stations are out there.

It would also be helpful to answer the questions about how many charging stations are there per say every 1000 EVs vs the same stat for gas powered cars.

The following article just came up in one of my news feeds and is a decent read outlining the hurdles mass adoption of EVs face.

https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...JqiU-NVfWOhPXcDp_M1JkmKhDzrSCsGPyz1Nbd4PnX_qU

Not impossible, but the challenges are real.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Which is why I am careful to say MY use case.

I drove about 370 miles on Sunday and another 260 miles today.

I'll have another 130 back home on Thursday to complete the loop I'm on this week.

None of the hotels I've stayed in have a charging station, so it's not like I could charge overnight here. It's not like I'm staying the boonies. I was in a Milwaukee suburb Sun to this AM. I left there mid day and drove to Decatur IL for a couple of days work here. And then finally returning to the STL area on Thursday afternoon/evening.

I'm not against it. The infrastructure just isn't there yet for my use case.

The "all or nothing" seems to go both ways. If someone points out it doesn't work for them, some suggest we are luddites or not willing to give the technology a chance, or we don't really know. Pointing out how it doesn't work for oneself is not equal to being turned off or hating the technology. That's another place I see the all-or-nothing point of view. If one points out how it doesn't work, it's taken (by some) as if the critic hates the technology.

Some suggest we just don't know. Seems pretty rich that someone who doesn't know me would suggest I've not done the research.

Heck, one of my degrees is Electrical Engineering. I have a pretty good understanding of the fundamentals here. Which means if I say it doesn't fit my use case, it's a pretty good bet it doesn't fit my use case.

Heck, check out Engineering Explained on YouTube. Jason (I think that's his name) provides an illustration of how much space is required by both carbon based fuels and batteries to contain similar amounts of energy. He is a Tesla Model 3 owner, but also has (had) a Miata and a Subaru. It may be a Honda S2000 now and formerly a Miata or vice versa. But the point is he doesn't rely on the Model 3 as his only car, he has a two seat sports car and a Subie hatch or wagon for occasions where that works best.

And as I've mentioned before, how is this going to work for those who live in apartments or in urban areas where the parking is street parking?

Finally, how many gas pumps per car vs PUBLIC charging stations per electric car?

Good points. Here is the Tesla North America SuperCharger Map Check out your locations.
If you started out with a full charge, you could have stopped for 20 minutes the 1st day and 20 minutes the 2nd day.
Charge when you eat or take a bio break.
You start each day with a full charge; there are destination chargers.
On the last day just cruise on home. Easy $$.

Tesla will route you based on destination, state of charge and available chargers. Here are the chargers in the neighborhood where Sue is driving.
This is an older pic; the new interface is better.

Here is the top level detail of the chargers withing a few miles:

I had range anxiety when we 1st got the car; the 1st day Sue drove around our local 'hood. There are chargers everywhere. There is a Kiaser hospital clinic a few blocks away. There are EVGO chargers in various places around the parking lot.
Full transparency, I still have range anxiety. But it is doable. I have to believe your trip was not a big deal for a Tesla.

When tripping with an EV, you don't necessarily charge to full; you charge to destination. Don't wait for an hour when 20 minutes will get you home.

I do disagree with your assessment of the "all or nothing" stuff. All the EV owners I know have an ICE car (or 3) as well.
But I know I could be wrong.

 

[javacontour]

Good points. Here is the Tesla North America SuperCharger Map Check out your locations.
If you started out with a full charge, you could have stopped for 20 minutes the 1st day and 20 minutes the 2nd day.
Charge when you eat or take a bio break.
You start each day with a full charge; there are destination chargers.
On the last day just cruise on home. Easy $$.

Tesla will route you based on destination, state of charge and available chargers. Here are the chargers in the neighborhood where Sue is driving.
This is an older pic; the new interface is better.
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Here is the top level detail of the chargers withing a few miles:
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I had range anxiety when we 1st got the car; the 1st day Sue drove around our local 'hood. There are chargers everywhere. There is a Kiaser hospital clinic a few blocks away. There are EVGO chargers in various places around the parking lot.
Full transparency, I still have range anxiety. But it is doable. I have to believe your trip was not a big deal for a Tesla.

When tripping with an EV, you don't necessarily charge to full; you charge to destination. Don't wait for an hour when 20 minutes will get you home.

I do disagree with your assessment of the "all or nothing" stuff. All the EV owners I know have an ICE car (or 3) as well.
But I know I could be wrong.

I may consider it in the future.

Another part of my use case is cost of getting into the vehicle. My 2012 Mazda was $10k OTD buying in 2017. Not sure I'm getting a Tesla Model 3 with 68k miles for that yet. But if I could, I might be tempted.

I would encourage folks to check out the EE YouTube channel. Jason does a 2k mile road trip in both summer and winter and gives the good and the bad encountered on such a trip.

We are going this way, so folks probably ought to get ready, that's for sure. But as pointed out in the above linked story, there are significant challenges when moving from 1% of all new car sales to 50% of new car sales.

 

[Cujet]

Very few EV owners "sit and wait" because they plug-in overnight and have a full tank in the morning.

That's exactly correct. The typical EV owner charges at home, generally upon arrival.

Many companies have installed EV chargers in various locations, such as shopping center parking lots, only to have them sit unused, a total waste of investment.

 

[Kiwi_ME]

... Many companies have installed EV chargers in various locations, such as shopping center parking lots, only to have them sit unused, a total waste of investment.

This has happened here as well, no-doubt due to the lag of retail / public planning and understanding behind the evolving technology. It might have worked a decade ago but now it's not worth the bother.
The few times I've used one of these outside the local bigbox the customers stop and stare as they enter and leave, wondering why I've tied my car to the box they lean on while smoking. And these are capable of 22kW (3-ph) which only one older EV can exploit, the Renault Zoe. For all other EVs it's 7.4 to 11kW at best.

 

[4WD]

This has happened here as well, no-doubt due to the lag of retail / public planning and understanding behind the evolving technology. It might have worked a decade ago but now it's not worth the bother.
The few times I've used one of these outside the local bigbox the customers stop and stare as they enter and leave, wondering why I've tied my car to the box they lean on while smoking. And these are capable of 22kW (3-ph) which only one older EV can exploit, the Renault Zoe. For all other EVs it's 7.4 to 11kW at best.

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Wonder how long it will trend like Apple vs micro USB … ?

 

[Nick1994]

It is amazing. Some people can be told, shown evidence, actually observe it happening, and still deny it... This is literally unfolding before us. Total lies and propaganda about ICE and EVs is legislatively killing the production (either by regulation or lack of profitability) of ICEs. And people just will not see it no matter how you show it to them.

Curious what the lies are about ICE vehicles?

 

[M56959]

Unfortunately for the folks who were attempting a discussion those members who only see a chance to bloviate, be it political commentary or conspiracy theories.

We don't have the time to babysit topics.