It is amazing. Some people can be told, shown evidence, actually observe it happening, and still deny it... This is literally unfolding before us. Total lies and propaganda about ICE and EVs is legislatively killing the production (either by regulation or lack of profitability) of ICEs. And people just will not see it no matter how you show it to them.
How Many Here Are Turned Off By Electric Vehicles ?
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It is amazing. Some people can be told, shown evidence, actually observe it happening, and still deny it... This is literally unfolding before us. Total lies and propaganda about ICE and EVs is legislatively killing the production (either by regulation or lack of profitability) of ICEs. And people just will not see it no matter how you show it to them.
Cool, and that's great. Solar can be very beneficial. Yet my grade school teacher had solar panels on his house in the early 1980s. So that technology has come along very slowly for 3-4 decades. And nobody is forcing it, or outlawing regular rooftops to force solar panels, etc.
States, including CA and WA, have recently pushed to ban new ICE passenger car production in the near future. It hasn't happened yet to my knowledge but it's in the pipeline. These feel-good folks do not want freedom of choice, they want you to live how they see fit and will ultimately pass these laws outlawing new ICE. Regardless of the lies they are predicated on.
there's a familiar ring to that ...
They don't want to see it. In spite of having the evidence right in front of them.
Its funny in my country when its winter and very cold they dont recommend that people using vacum cleaner. But they want every body to buy a EV
. Now one thing is for sure, military does not go EV. The power grid is the first that goes down if a war did break down with Russia. And i do not want a EV in my country... to much forest and less freedom.
. Now one thing is for sure, military does not go EV. The power grid is the first that goes down if a war did break down with Russia. And i do not want a EV in my country... to much forest and less freedom.
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California has that in the summer with air conditioning. Quebec has power shortages in the winter sometimes when it is extremely cold, so they import power from Ontario.Its funny in my country when its winter and very cold they dont recommend that people using vacum cleaner. But they want every body to buy a EV
Quebec is one of the provinces most encouraging EV's, but so are we here in Ontario. Ontario, most heating is done with gas, so we don't have the winter load spike that Quebec does.
HVO 100 for diesel engine, thats what i am using right now
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The "renewable energy" garbage is a lot more pervasive and a lot more potentially damaging than encouraging people to switch to EV's, though in many locations with dirty grids, it isn't much of an emissions savings.
That said, in places that have clean grids and tons of electricity, EV's are low hanging fruit for reducing ground-level emissions in urban areas, even if the overall emissions reduction isn't as significant.
If something is that wonderful, it will sell itself based on it's own merit. The government, or anyone else for that matter, shouldn't have to force people to buy it, get it, or offer subsidies for it. Be it solar panels or EV's. People will naturally gravitate to it, without having it forced upon them via mandate. If they don't, there is usually a very good reason why.
And they turn off lights to save the power grid after 11 PM(23:00) in winter time... oh look there a moose
Even if I drove a Tesla, I’d never own one. Clam the funk down, man.
Someone mentioned Duluth, MN and cold. I live north of Duluth and park outside year-round. I look forward to buying an EV, leaving it plugged in overnight then using my car’s app to preheat the cabin using house power before I even leave the house. Full heat, full “tank”, every single day before you leave the house. I can’t do that with an ICE car.
I've never driven or rode in a hybrid or electric. At 61 years old with a yard full of gas burners and 2 of them being under 50K miles I don't see myself ever buying one. I could probably get by with an electric with a 75 mile range at least 75% of the time now but, years ago when I made 1K mile weekend trips about every 4-6 weeks and drove 150-200 miles a day the rest of the time it wouldn't have been anything but an ornament to look at.
Having personally been in areas where lots of people were without power for a week or more at a time because of hurricanes/ice/snow I'm sure everyone in LA right now would just love to have an EV. At least within a day or two there are usually some gas stations with power that are opened where gas is available. I was in an area where many lost power for a week or more in 1989 when Hugo hit the Carolina's. Lots of people couldn't even cook a meal at home but as I remember gas was available within 24 hours.
Having personally been in areas where lots of people were without power for a week or more at a time because of hurricanes/ice/snow I'm sure everyone in LA right now would just love to have an EV. At least within a day or two there are usually some gas stations with power that are opened where gas is available. I was in an area where many lost power for a week or more in 1989 when Hugo hit the Carolina's. Lots of people couldn't even cook a meal at home but as I remember gas was available within 24 hours.
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Likely so as it was pretty much identical to this one... Totally agree with modern hybrids being much better and of course I differ from some here in that I will gladly take a 4 cylinder/boosted/direct injected over most anything else all things considered.
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1090932_buying-a-used-2000-2006-honda-insight-hybrid-the-guide
If there wasn't a plausible carbon emissions benefit to driving an EV in my country with plenty of hydro and geothermal power I doubt I would have bought one and I totally understand why the environmental advantages are questionable in countries with primarily fossil-based energy. But in certain applications the economic benefits can be significant. EV drivers here who do daily driving in the 100 to 300 km range save a lot of dosh over paying for gasoline at some $9/usgal.
And now that I've owned an EV for 3 years it doesn't seem that bad, other than being slightly boring except for the grin it brings me when I see other drivers wondering how I was able to silently leave them in the dust.
ICE cars now feel primitive, almost ridiculous in trying to harvest tiny explosions to move along with terrible efficiency, even if the resulting sound can be musically-engaging. Gas stations now have a filth and smell about them that leaves me puzzled as to why anyone would want to stop at one. The main reason I retain a recently-acquired ICE is because I still enjoy doing the maintenance. All the EV needs is an occasional wash.
And now that I've owned an EV for 3 years it doesn't seem that bad, other than being slightly boring except for the grin it brings me when I see other drivers wondering how I was able to silently leave them in the dust.
ICE cars now feel primitive, almost ridiculous in trying to harvest tiny explosions to move along with terrible efficiency, even if the resulting sound can be musically-engaging. Gas stations now have a filth and smell about them that leaves me puzzled as to why anyone would want to stop at one. The main reason I retain a recently-acquired ICE is because I still enjoy doing the maintenance. All the EV needs is an occasional wash.
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I own a Prius and you want to know how long the hybrid battery lasted? 8 years, two months and 73K miles before I got a code telling me my battery was deteriorating. A year later another code appeared that said my battery was toast at 9 years two months and 78K miles. The warranty was for 8 years. Replacement cost due to a lot of wheeling and dealing with Toyota and my dealer $2300, without making deals it would have been closer to $3500.
Batteries have a life expectancy in time and charging cycles, not miles. 10 year old pure battery vehicle is literally worthless due to the battery is already at the end of it's life. Look at the depreciation of any five year old pure electric vehicle? Yet if I have a ten year old Toyota Corolla with 100K miles on it, I'm pretty sure I can get another five or more years out of it and maybe another 100-150 thousand miles.
I wouldn't touch another hybrid vehicle unless it came with a 15 year warranty on the battery and the hybrid system. Toyota jumped their warranty to 10 years and 150K miles on their Hybrids due to battery issues. That's still not good enough for me to buy another one.
Batteries have a life expectancy in time and charging cycles, not miles. 10 year old pure battery vehicle is literally worthless due to the battery is already at the end of it's life. Look at the depreciation of any five year old pure electric vehicle? Yet if I have a ten year old Toyota Corolla with 100K miles on it, I'm pretty sure I can get another five or more years out of it and maybe another 100-150 thousand miles.
I wouldn't touch another hybrid vehicle unless it came with a 15 year warranty on the battery and the hybrid system. Toyota jumped their warranty to 10 years and 150K miles on their Hybrids due to battery issues. That's still not good enough for me to buy another one.
I prefer a hybrid like a Prius that doesn't leave you stranded. I watched a video on the new Ford Lightning, it was a work truck version and I kind of liked it except it does take a lot of juice to charge it. For now, I'll stick with my paid for vehicles.
Which is why I am careful to say MY use case.
I drove about 370 miles on Sunday and another 260 miles today.
I'll have another 130 back home on Thursday to complete the loop I'm on this week.
None of the hotels I've stayed in have a charging station, so it's not like I could charge overnight here. It's not like I'm staying the boonies. I was in a Milwaukee suburb Sun to this AM. I left there mid day and drove to Decatur IL for a couple of days work here. And then finally returning to the STL area on Thursday afternoon/evening.
I'm not against it. The infrastructure just isn't there yet for my use case.
The "all or nothing" seems to go both ways. If someone points out it doesn't work for them, some suggest we are luddites or not willing to give the technology a chance, or we don't really know. Pointing out how it doesn't work for oneself is not equal to being turned off or hating the technology. That's another place I see the all-or-nothing point of view. If one points out how it doesn't work, it's taken (by some) as if the critic hates the technology.
Some suggest we just don't know. Seems pretty rich that someone who doesn't know me would suggest I've not done the research.
Heck, one of my degrees is Electrical Engineering. I have a pretty good understanding of the fundamentals here. Which means if I say it doesn't fit my use case, it's a pretty good bet it doesn't fit my use case.
Heck, check out Engineering Explained on YouTube. Jason (I think that's his name) provides an illustration of how much space is required by both carbon based fuels and batteries to contain similar amounts of energy. He is a Tesla Model 3 owner, but also has (had) a Miata and a Subaru. It may be a Honda S2000 now and formerly a Miata or vice versa. But the point is he doesn't rely on the Model 3 as his only car, he has a two seat sports car and a Subie hatch or wagon for occasions where that works best.
And as I've mentioned before, how is this going to work for those who live in apartments or in urban areas where the parking is street parking?
Finally, how many gas pumps per car vs PUBLIC charging stations per electric car?
All along my trip, gas stations are noted on the services signage along the interstate. I don't recall seeing any charging services noted on those signs. Doesn't mean it's not there. But if the infrastructure is out there, it's not apparent. Perhaps one of the barriers to adoption is the lack of visibility of these charging points.
I suspect some of the folks who are not keen on the idea have also noticed few if any signage indicating charging services available just off the interstate. If states want people to adopt this, perhaps they should add the signage so people have visibility into the availability of charging.
The public impression is these stations don't exist when they see 2 or more gas options at most exits with services and no announcements of charging stations.
Perception matters when one is looking to entice people to a new technology.
I can't wait to get my next one, a Tesla Model 3 Performance...
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