How Many Here Are Turned Off By Electric Vehicles ?

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You could find every photo in existence of people standing in such lines, all the procrastinators. It would be statistically irrelevant.
As someone who have made a career out of using statistics to forecast and drive several multi billion dollar businesses using hundreds of millions of rows of large dB data, I find your use of the word statistics is irrelevant without numbers and calculations.
And that is just the starting place. Those numbers, data, calculations and results have to be intrepreted to garner value from them.

Pulling numbers outta some strange place is the very reason statistics have such a bad reputation.
 
Dont tell me "I dont know what Im talking about" - show me.

Show me actual data from a third party like I put up.

Your point about them running out of fuel during an evac makes my case.

What do you think the average guy has stored? How old would that be?

How well you are prepared? Here's a pict of my whole house gen.

What do you have?


That’s a nice generator setup. Natural gas powered I presume?

Big earthquakes rupture natural gas lines. Nothing is dependable in a calamity.
 
That’s a nice generator setup. Natural gas powered I presume?

Big earthquakes rupture natural gas lines. Nothing is dependable in a calamity.
Yes sir and thanks.

We dont get such big quakes here in the mountains.

At some point with a fire closing in- its likely to get shut off as well, but if the fire is so close they are killing gas then Im out of here.

I have backup gasoline gensets but not enough to run a well and or septic Xfer pump.

We've had over 30 hours of outages so far this year that its kept everything going through.
 
You won’t see a Volt driving slow because the battery is down to minimum. Doesn't work that way.
EV’s are going to heat pumps, and the heating by resistance uses a lot in cold weather is a good point. Imagine a space heater running off a battery.
One thing I really like about a plug-in is it is like an ev most of the time. I like driveway moving without going through a gas engine warm up cycle. Relatives go out to move car so I can get out. Rev it up like mad, move it 20 feet, turn it off until the next day. That can’t be good. Or running to the nearby store and when back the temp gauge is just starting to move, then turn it off. EV it doesn’t matter.
 
You won’t see a Volt driving slow because the battery is down to minimum. Doesn't work that way.
EV’s are going to heat pumps, and the heating by resistance uses a lot in cold weather is a good point. Imagine a space heater running off a battery.
One thing I really like about a plug-in is it is like an ev most of the time. I like driveway moving without going through a gas engine warm up cycle. Relatives go out to move car so I can get out. Rev it up like mad, move it 20 feet, turn it off until the next day. That can’t be good. Or running to the nearby store and when back the temp gauge is just starting to move, then turn it off. EV it doesn’t matter.

Seems like a good value for a $50,000 vehicle.
 
Yep and soon it won’t matter according to the experts. Wellington and other New Zealand cities will be underwater.
Certainly an issue in a century + for all the world's low-lying cities. This cannot be avoided but at least it's predictable and we can walk away.

Heat Pumps
Some models of the Nissan Leaf from 2012 had a heat pump, my 2018 Hyundai Electric has one and it works perfectly in our 0-35°C climate with only a slight impact on range. There's also an accompanying 5.5 kW high-voltage resistance heater (they're called a "PTC") intended to kick-in if the heat pump is ineffective at lower temps. That would certainly absorb more range as any Bolt owner in a cold region would know.
... Charging will evolve. I decided to become an early adopter for several reasons.
Finally, EVs are not for everyone. I do not subscribe to the 1 size fits all model. I am not sure why many naysayers seem to. Every EV owner I know has another vehicle.
Yes, I became an early adopter to learn about the technology and it was my only car for 2.5 years but I now have a 'beater' gasoline project car to enjoy working on since the EV needs almost no maintenance. After 3 years I treat the EV just like any other car. 450 km range does not trigger range anxiety, as you're aware. If want to go somewhere fast and inexpensively I use the EV. If I want to go somewhere slower or on unpaved roads, or park in dodgy areas I use my small SUV which currently costs around 5 times the EV to drive.
... But, for those that are willing to understand, EV is limited, a lot. That is why you cannot see them at local ski resorts. You can in Vail or Beaver Creek, but those are folks that drive Tesla to charity dinner to save the planet, and then LX570 to grocery store.
The Tesla EV chargers are busy at our local ski field but ironically they're at the top of the mountain. No 'charity dinners' held there, it's pretty basic.
The difference between the car and the meter grows with the decrease in volts charging.
Well, to be pedantic - 'power' rather than volts. I've measured this - AC charging efficiency ranges from 83 to 91% between 1.7 and 7.2 kW.
DC charging is measured and billed at the DC side of the public charger so you'll only pay for your own battery losses, that efficiency is about 98%.
 
Well, to be pedantic - 'power' rather than volts. I've measured this - AC charging efficiency ranges from 83 to 91% between 1.7 and 7.2 kW.
DC charging is measured and billed at the DC side of the public charger so you'll only pay for your own battery losses, that efficiency is about 98%.
I think we had some in house testing here if I recall...?

I seem to recall 240V being more efficient with the operating theory that a 110 charger is stepping up to the 400 or 800 V required will always create heat in trying to rectify ripple...whereas the 240 volt waveform delivers smoother power that requires less shaping - even if power is equal.

But my memory isnt what used to be....
 
Quite fond of my prius prime.

The 26 mile battery range "takes the edge off" my gas consumption. It takes five seconds to plug it in at night. I hate buying gas and now do so once every three or four weeks.

We'd do better (short term) putting ten 8 kWH batteries in ten cars vs one huge battery in one Tesla that may or may not use all its capacity every day.

The lithium "pollution" is inside a battery case, ready to be re-processed into another battery. Its displaced amount of CO2 is fantastically hard to grab out of the air.
 
I think we had some in house testing here if I recall...?
I seem to recall 240V being more efficient with the operating theory that a 110 charger is stepping up to the 400 or 800 V required will always create heat in trying to rectify ripple...whereas the 240 volt waveform delivers smoother power that requires less shaping - even if power is equal.
But my memory isnt what used to be....
All my testing is on 230VAC because that's what we have here. But the lowest current I evaluated is 7 amps and that equates powerwise approximately to 120V @ 15 amps. I don't see any immediate reason why using 120 should invite significantly greater conversion losses than 230 would, but for best efficiency the power level should be close to what the on-board charger was designed and rated for. For most current EVs that's generally 7.4 kW or 230V at 32A. (3-ph can offer higher levels if the EV can exploit that.) Aside from fully utilising the charger capacity clearly there will be a fixed portion of the input power needed just to run the electronics, which I have estimated is about 200 watts. So, at 1.7 kW total going in, that's a pretty big portion and I've seen only 1.4 kW appearing at the battery.
 
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I'm not ready to go full EV yet, as Where I live(not a large metro area), not a lot of places to charge, nor do I want to sit and wait. We do drive alot so thats an issue. Bought 3 months ago, 10k klms on Prius. I wanted a Prime , but not available in AWD which we need. Will probably keep 4 years or so, and hopefully by then , get something similar , thats also plugin. I also like the fact it uses a nimh battery, so should not be as effected by the common -20 days here in winter.
 
Very few EV owners "sit and wait" because they plug-in overnight and have a full tank in the morning.
I wish that was true. The people competing to get free level 2 all would say the same.
I'm not ready to go full EV yet, as Where I live(not a large metro area), not a lot of places to charge, nor do I want to sit and wait. We do drive alot so thats an issue. Bought 3 months ago, 10k klms on Prius. I wanted a Prime , but not available in AWD which we need. Will probably keep 4 years or so, and hopefully by then , get something similar , thats also plugin. I also like the fact it uses a nimh battery, so should not be as effected by the common -20 days here in winter.
To verify, the standard Prius non plug in has a full EV mode to use for things like driveway moving or a short run like a mile?
 
EVs symbolize progress to me. Regardless of what you think about them or their green cred, they’re getting better and the money being poured into the tech MAY eventually pay huge dividends. We’re perfecting how to assemble these things and now we’re waiting for a step change in battery tech to take us to the next level. It’s only a matter of time.
 
EVs symbolize progress to me. Regardless of what you think about them or their green cred, they’re getting better and the money being poured into the tech MAY eventually pay huge dividends. We’re perfecting how to assemble these things and now we’re waiting for a step change in battery tech to take us to the next level. It’s only a matter of time.
Maybe Aluminum Ion/Graphine batteries will pan out. Their theoretical 50x increased charging rates would increase convenience quite a bit.
 
I'm a little late to this thread, but I love 'em for the following reasons:
1) Stupidly fast
2) Perfect "throttle" response
3) No downshifting
4) Quiet inside
5) Stupidly fast

All the other points are valid, and that's why I don't own one (yet).
Add butt ugly (for the most part) to the list as I couldn't tolerate the design of most EVs offered right now. I'm still surprised so many can tolerate the lame look of the Prius regardless of MPG, etc. Of course to each their own, but ****...
 
Add butt ugly (for the most part) to the list as I couldn't tolerate the design of most EVs offered right now. I'm still surprised so many can tolerate the lame look of the Prius regardless of MPG, etc. Of course to each their own, but ****...
The Prius reminds me of that butt ugly car the guy drove in that TV show "Breaking Bad" I think it was a Pontiac Aztec, or some such. It looked like it had an ATM on the back of it.
 
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