How Many Here Are Turned Off By Electric Vehicles ?

[BMWTurboDzl]

Yup. 100 million cars on the road that are probably near, at, or over 30 years and/or 300k. Standby, and I'll get you 100 million VIN numbers. lol.

Data?? Yeah, I have lived in society for more than 10 minutes.

Average age today of cars on the road is 12 years. Doing a bell curve that means there are a lot of cars over 24 years old. There's zero less than 0 years old. I'm not super smart but this seems quite elementary.

Vehicles are not designed to last 30 yrs doesn't mean that they can't but that's not a design goal by automakers.

In any case over 12-15 million cars are crushed every year which is a little under total new sales every year. This doesn't include vehicles shipped out of the country or abandoned sitting on someones property.

 

[Krieg]

I'm not turned on.

 

[OldCowboy]

Audi will stop developing IC engines in 2026 and will only make EVs starting in 2032.
Volkswagen will only make EVs starting in 2035.
The UK will only allow the sale of new EVs beginning in 2035.
General Motors has said it's aiming to produce only EVs by 2035.
BMW's Mini brand will only sell battery-powered cars by the early 2030s.
By 2030, meanwhile, CEO Ola Kallenius now says Mercedes will switch entirely to BEVs. (BEV=Battery Electric Vehicle)
By 2040, Honda will be EV only.
By 2050, Toyota will be EV only.

By 2040 gas stations will be few and far between.

The future is EV. It will happen regardless of how many people ***** and complain about it. Get used to it.

 

[PimTac]

Audi will stop developing IC engines in 2026 and will only make EVs starting in 2032.
Volkswagen will only make EVs starting in 2035.
The UK will only allow the sale of new EVs beginning in 2035.
General Motors has said it's aiming to produce only EVs by 2035.
BMW's Mini brand will only sell battery-powered cars by the early 2030s.
By 2030, meanwhile, CEO Ola Kallenius now says Mercedes will switch entirely to BEVs. (BEV=Battery Electric Vehicle)
By 2040, Honda will be EV only.
By 2050, Toyota will be EV only.

By 2040 gas stations will be few and far between.

The future is EV. It will happen regardless of how many people ***** and complain about it. Get used to it.

There are a number of quotes about the best laid plans too.

 

[billt460]

Audi will stop developing IC engines in 2026 and will only make EVs starting in 2032.
Volkswagen will only make EVs starting in 2035.
The UK will only allow the sale of new EVs beginning in 2035.
General Motors has said it's aiming to produce only EVs by 2035.
BMW's Mini brand will only sell battery-powered cars by the early 2030s.
By 2030, meanwhile, CEO Ola Kallenius now says Mercedes will switch entirely to BEVs. (BEV=Battery Electric Vehicle)
By 2040, Honda will be EV only.
By 2050, Toyota will be EV only.

By 2040 gas stations will be few and far between.

The future is EV. It will happen regardless of how many people ***** and complain about it. Get used to it.

It is difficult for businesses to forecast 3 years into the future.... Let alone almost 30.

 

[Cujet]

Im totally open to looking at any comprehensive breakdowns you'd like to post on the matter of cradle to grave pollution/emissions.

I really enjoy EE's videos. However, he has posted data that is in error a number of times. I correct him on it, and it is ignored. In particular, one cannot use the "watt hours per mile" on the car's display as a viable metric for energy consumption. I require using the electric meter on the wall, prior to the charger. The difference is NON TRIVIAL.

Furthermore, it can't be calculated for just one trip, or just a sunny week, or a long cold drive. It must be a "miles driven vs energy consumed" average over 365 days for seasonal reasons.

Reason: EV energy per mile differs markedly, for various reasons as basic as outside temperature, where you park and for how long. Much more so than fuel powered cars.


EDIT: Driving my F150 PA to FL this Wed. I will start at 5AM, finish at 10PM and make 2 stops. EV's can't do this, and won't be able to anytime soon, despite the wild range claims.

 

[Rmay635703]

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[UncleDave]

Um. Probably most, particularly seasoned experienced residents. Next question.

A trip to the local filling station before a hurricane or predicted weather event says differently.

The prepared are the few - even in areas prone to disaster.

 

[UncleDave]

I really enjoy EE's videos. However, he has posted data that is in error a number of times. I correct him on it, and it is ignored. In particular, one cannot use the "watt hours per mile" on the car's display as a viable metric for energy consumption. I require using the electric meter on the wall, prior to the charger. The difference is NON TRIVIAL.

Furthermore, it can't be calculated for just one trip, or just a sunny week, or a long cold drive. It must be a "miles driven vs energy consumed" average over 365 days for seasonal reasons.

agreed - There are several points he missed.

The difference between the car and the meter grows with the decrease in volts charging.

All that said - Ive yet to see anything better from anyone else.

 

[CharlesInCharge]

A trip to the local filling station before a hurricane or predicted weather event says differently.

The prepared are the few - even in areas prone to disaster.

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So a picture of 100 people standing in a line, in a city of MILLIONS, is some definitive proof? lol. Not likely.

In statistics we call this an anomaly and use of such photo is emotional propaganda and not fact driven. The tiny percent that wait are not the norm.

Also, let's see the graph of all the gas sold days, weeks, and months prior to any declared emergency for folks who really are veterans of preparation.

These arguments are easy to refute.

Next...

 

[UncleDave]

So a picture of 100 people standing in a line, in a city of MILLIONS, is some definitive proof? lol. Not likely.

In statistics we call this an anomaly and use of such photo is emotional propaganda and not fact driven. The tiny percent that wait are not the norm.

Also, let's see the graph of all the gas sold days, weeks, and months prior to any declared emergency for folks who really are veterans of preparation.

These arguments are easy to refute.

Next...

Pictures like that are commonplace during every disaster or evacuation, its not hard to find.

The gas buddy data is not niche.

Anyone thats lived in disaster zone or through an evacuation has seen long lines and sold out fuel.

The wise veteran prepare, most dont.

 

[CharlesInCharge]

Pictures like are commonplace during every disaster or evacuation, its not hard to find.

The gas buddy data is not niche.

Anyone thats lived in disaster zone or through an evacuation has seen long lines and sold out fuel.

The wise veteran prepare, most dont.

Again, these areas have MILLIONS of people. A picture of 100 standing in line, even dozens of similar photos, represent 0.00001% of a given major urban area. Plus, since gas stations might close or be out of fuel, this might represent the normal traffic at 15 gas stations, but 14 locally closed.

IOW, it's shock value but proves little.

 

[UncleDave]

Again, these areas have MILLIONS of people. A picture of 100 standing in line, even dozens of similar photos, represent 0.00001% of a given major urban area. Plus, since gas stations might close or be out of fuel, this might represent the normal traffic at 15 gas stations, but 14 locally closed.

IOW, it's shock value but proves little.

Its hundreds of stations like that for days on end represents a whole bunch waiting for fuel.

The gas buddy charts show the percents of that run out of fuel and when - which puts pressure on those that have it and leads to the long lines.

How many gallons does a "prepared" home have standing by?

 

[Silver Samurai]

I'm sick of hearing about them. Especially all of this nonsense about them being "green". The rare metals used in the manufacture of the batteries are anything but environmentally friendly. And I read somewhere there isn't enough Lithium on the planet to replace every gas vehicle in existence with a battery powered electric, if they wanted to. Most of the electricity used to recharge them come from fossil fueled power plants anyway. So where is all of this "green" crap? To me this is another one of those, "sounds better than it really is", type of deals. A bit like putting solar panels on your roof, and windmills in your backyard.

The recharge time is too long, and there is no network of charging stations to support them. I know people will argue, but there really isn't. Especially if you get the slightest bit off the beaten path. Who would buy an electric pickup truck? You want to tow your boat or 5th Wheel 600 miles a day? Yeah, that'll work.

At best I can see one of these things for, is a second car if you're retired, to drive around town with. Even then, I would rather buy a small gas car. Why handicap yourself with limited range, and long downtime on a recharge? To me they're a solution to a non existent problem. Imagine pulling a U-Haul trailer, moving from Boston to L.A. with one. Do you think you could beat the pioneers trip time?

Personally I think it's a rich mans' farce.

Like others in here - hybrids are much more practical.

 

[CharlesInCharge]

Its hundreds of stations like that for days on end represents a whole bunch waiting for fuel.

The gas buddy charts show the percents of that run out of fuel and when - which puts pressure on those that have it and leads to the long lines.

How many gallons does a "prepared" home have standing by?

LOL. You simply do not know what you're talking about.

Most fuel stations, get refueled daily or sometimes multiple times daily as in the case of normally busy ones like Costco. So even on a normal day, they'd run out if not refueled. A small surge would shut them out if a truck cannot get there. My local stations would shut tomorrow if not refueled today, under normal situations.

100 people standing in a line, show me 50 of those photos, and it's 5000 people. Show me 1000 of those photos, and it's 100,000 people. That's 10% of 1 million.

The gulf region is 10s of millions of people. Do you know, what 10 million people amounts to? That's 100x100x100x100.

You could find every photo in existence of people standing in such lines, all the procrastinators. It would be statistically irrelevant.

 

[Silver Samurai]

As for “the grid” argument. The math shows we’d only need to increase the total energy output in the US by around 30% if almost everyone switched to EVs. That’s nothing.

More nuclear power plants!

 

[UncleDave]

LOL. You simply do not know what you're talking about.

Most fuel stations, get refueled daily or sometimes multiple times daily as in the case of normally busy ones like Costco. So even on a normal day, they'd run out if not refueled. A small surge would shut them out if a truck cannot get there. My local stations would shut tomorrow if not refueled today, under normal situations.

100 people standing in a line, show me 50 of those photos, and it's 5000 people. Show me 1000 of those photos, and it's 100,000 people. That's 10% of 1 million.

The gulf region is 10s of millions of people. Do you know, what 10 million people amounts to? That's 100x100x100x100.

You could find every photo in existence of people standing in such lines, all the procrastinators. It would be statistically irrelevant.

Dont tell me "I dont know what Im talking about" - show me.

Show me actual data from a third party like I put up.

Your point about them running out of fuel during an evac makes my case.

What do you think the average guy has stored? How old would that be?

How well you are prepared? Here's a pict of my whole house gen.

What do you have?

 

[CharlesInCharge]

Dont tell me "I dont know what Im talking about" - show me.

Show me actual data from a third party like I put up.

Your point about them running out of fuel during an evac makes my case.

What do you think the average guy has stored? How old would that be?

How well you are prepared? Here's a pict of my whole house gen.

What do you have?

I prepare by not living in areas prone to big disasters. lol.

Regardless we do get bad snowstorms from time to time. I keep a gas generator, extension cords, and approx 20 gas cans that usually have gas in them as I rotate thru them. If there is even a hint of something on the horizon, all cars topped off (that's 200 gallons of gas), and all 20 gas cans filled for another ~75 gallons. That, on top of at least 1 year of food in the pantry and freezers, tons of medial supplies, guns, ammo, radios including HAM, human networks, current gas masks, optics, cold weather gear, many sources of lighting, solar panels to charge electronics, and lots of other interesting stuff.

Absent a 1+ month disaster, I think I'm covered.

Also, the point about fuel stations running dry is like, well, duh. No resupply is going to cause that inevitably anywhere. And I'm not wasting my afternoon doing your research project that's not even really on topic.

 

[UncleDave]

I prepare by not living in areas prone to big disasters. lol.

Regardless we do get bad snowstorms from time to time. I keep a gas generator, extension cords, and approx 20 gas cans that usually have gas in them as I rotate thru them. If there is even a hint of something on the horizon, all cars topped off (that's 200 gallons of gas), and all 20 gas cans filled for another ~75 gallons. That, on top of at least 1 year of food in the pantry and freezers, tons of medial supplies, guns, ammo, radios including HAM, human networks, current gas masks, optics, cold weather gear, many sources of lighting, solar panels to charge electronics, and lots of other interesting stuff.

Absent a 1+ month disaster, I think I'm covered.

Got a pict of these 20 cans of gas? Curious to see how you store these.

Whose transfer switch did you use? You on well or city water?

Ive got two boats and several vehicles - getting gas from them is a real trick.

being able to prep is one thing - when the power " just dies" with no notice is when it gets fun.

 

[IndyIan]

The true green believers view all of humanity as a environmental crisis. Many that I've talked to have opined that there are too many people on the planet. Follow that to it's logical conclusion.

Well, I hope we are smarter than yeast in the brewing vat... Although it seems lots of people don't like taking a look at the big picture or more than a couple weeks into the future. Does anyone think we can continue with our current level of non renewable resource consumption for even 100 years, how about 1000, 10000?
We can't even get basic re-use and recycling figured out, so it seems a good plan would be to reduce the birthrate to lower than the death rate for a while. Most highly developed countries already have a lower birthrate than death rate just from people choosing to have less kids, but some like Canada boost our population and economy with immigration. The exponential economic growth model seems to be linked with exponential resource consumption which can't continue indefinitely.