From the same people who brought you the YUGO. I know, I know, it was built under license but the design was Fiats.
How is Fiat going
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Originally Posted By: NHGUY
FIAT took over Chrysler.Chrysler is blowing GMs butt off in sales increases,Ford is down,FIAT is doing ok,and will do better when the AWD FIAT CUV shows up next year.
Ford sales is down only because of the F series plant shutdown-change over for the New 2015 F series truck this fall. In fact Ford sales fell much less than expected.
FIAT took over Chrysler.Chrysler is blowing GMs butt off in sales increases,Ford is down,FIAT is doing ok,and will do better when the AWD FIAT CUV shows up next year.
Ford sales is down only because of the F series plant shutdown-change over for the New 2015 F series truck this fall. In fact Ford sales fell much less than expected.
Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Who in the right mind would buy a Fiat anything?
I love it when people make remarks like this and the Yugo remark above. Why? It shows cluelessness.
Our Fiats have been completely trouble free. My Abarth is a blast to drive.
The Yugo may have been a Fiat design. So what? It isn't 1986 anymore.
Who in the right mind would buy a Fiat anything?
I love it when people make remarks like this and the Yugo remark above. Why? It shows cluelessness.
Our Fiats have been completely trouble free. My Abarth is a blast to drive.
The Yugo may have been a Fiat design. So what? It isn't 1986 anymore.
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Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Who in the right mind would buy a Fiat anything?
Well I guess I'm complete idiot then because I had 10 of them, and four Alfas. I'm also considering to buy second hand Alfa 159 now.
Who in the right mind would buy a Fiat anything?
Well I guess I'm complete idiot then because I had 10 of them, and four Alfas. I'm also considering to buy second hand Alfa 159 now.
I owned several fiats back in the day. Great designs but poorly executed and poor support. (124 Sport Coupe and a 128 Spider). They were delivered with rust already appearing. Things like seat support and hood hold down latches and transmission supports broke like toy parts. The paint faded in color faster than you would think possible. And parts were not always kept in stock (like brake pads and rotors).
The new Fiat started out fine but then decided us dumb Americans don't need amber rear turn indicators, so those got pulled after the first year. Fiat, no thanks.
The new Fiat started out fine but then decided us dumb Americans don't need amber rear turn indicators, so those got pulled after the first year. Fiat, no thanks.
Originally Posted By: HyundaiGuy
Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Who in the right mind would buy a Fiat anything?
I love it when people make remarks like this and the Yugo remark above. Why? It shows cluelessness.
Our Fiats have been completely trouble free. My Abarth is a blast to drive.
The Yugo may have been a Fiat design. So what? It isn't 1986 anymore.
Yugo was not a FIAT design. Zastava had licensed clones of Fiats (128, 101), but Yugo was not one of them. Yugo was roughly based on a 1970s Fiat 127 car, but with different body, suspension setup, and built by pheasants in central Serbia without any quality control at down of socialist utopia.
Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Who in the right mind would buy a Fiat anything?
I love it when people make remarks like this and the Yugo remark above. Why? It shows cluelessness.
Our Fiats have been completely trouble free. My Abarth is a blast to drive.
The Yugo may have been a Fiat design. So what? It isn't 1986 anymore.
Yugo was not a FIAT design. Zastava had licensed clones of Fiats (128, 101), but Yugo was not one of them. Yugo was roughly based on a 1970s Fiat 127 car, but with different body, suspension setup, and built by pheasants in central Serbia without any quality control at down of socialist utopia.
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Originally Posted By: rfeir
The new Fiat started out fine but then decided us dumb Americans don't need amber rear turn indicators, so those got pulled after the first year. Fiat, no thanks.
Huh? The lens is clear because the bulb is amber.
The new Fiat started out fine but then decided us dumb Americans don't need amber rear turn indicators, so those got pulled after the first year. Fiat, no thanks.
Huh? The lens is clear because the bulb is amber.
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I'm not sure how you could own a 128 spider, simply because that car never existed. But I will agree that Fiat could never be a first car for majority of Americans for few reasons. First they are high maintenance cars even today and second aftermarket availability will be poor for long time.
Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Who in the right mind would buy a Fiat anything?
I've had 3 Fiats
Of course, none of them were $15-25,000 cars.
None of them were even $1000 cars.
My '82 Bertone X1/9 was beautiful, handled well, had silky smooth red Italian leather seats....and a transmission that I quickly broke.
My '74 X1/9 was terrible looking, faded/burnt and flat paint, everything that could leak did, and it had no reverse. But it was fun. Way more fun than a $100 car deserves to be.
The Strada (which I got to be a donor for the Bertone's transmission then found out the linkage was no match) had "whiskey dents" all over it. Every body panel had at least one little dent. But it was a pretty good little car. Nearly as economical as the Suzuki Swift I would have later and a LOT more fun. It had a tough life and was still a decent car
If I could get a brand new Rabbit MKI or a Fiat Strada (Ritmo to the rest of the world) at full '70s retail price, I would.
Who in the right mind would buy a Fiat anything?
I've had 3 Fiats
Of course, none of them were $15-25,000 cars.
None of them were even $1000 cars.
My '82 Bertone X1/9 was beautiful, handled well, had silky smooth red Italian leather seats....and a transmission that I quickly broke.
My '74 X1/9 was terrible looking, faded/burnt and flat paint, everything that could leak did, and it had no reverse. But it was fun. Way more fun than a $100 car deserves to be.
The Strada (which I got to be a donor for the Bertone's transmission then found out the linkage was no match) had "whiskey dents" all over it. Every body panel had at least one little dent. But it was a pretty good little car. Nearly as economical as the Suzuki Swift I would have later and a LOT more fun. It had a tough life and was still a decent car
If I could get a brand new Rabbit MKI or a Fiat Strada (Ritmo to the rest of the world) at full '70s retail price, I would.
Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Who in the right mind would buy a Fiat anything?
All cars have their problems.
Have you ever owned a Fiat?
Not one that has been poorly maintained and abused by several ownera and is on its last legs but a decent ome?
Many say the same thing about French cars.
Bur I have owned loads of them and they are no worse than any other.
The wife's Clio has been a reliable vehicle over the last 5 or so years and all but 29k of those miles have been hers.
It is not a new car but starts every time and gives over 60mpg day in and day out round London, very rarely goes on longer runs, mostly stop start.
Who in the right mind would buy a Fiat anything?
All cars have their problems.
Have you ever owned a Fiat?
Not one that has been poorly maintained and abused by several ownera and is on its last legs but a decent ome?
Many say the same thing about French cars.
Bur I have owned loads of them and they are no worse than any other.
The wife's Clio has been a reliable vehicle over the last 5 or so years and all but 29k of those miles have been hers.
It is not a new car but starts every time and gives over 60mpg day in and day out round London, very rarely goes on longer runs, mostly stop start.
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Chrysler is paying for Fiat's lunch. Fiat sales are down and are a disappointment in the US. On the otherhand Chrysler is doing great with RAM and Jeep especially.
Lol.
Is that what you think?
You need to consider what else Fiat own.
And how long Fiat has been in business.
Just because they sell fewer cars in the US than some manufacturers means little.
People outside of the US buy cars you know.
Chrysler is paying for Fiat's lunch. Fiat sales are down and are a disappointment in the US. On the otherhand Chrysler is doing great with RAM and Jeep especially.
Lol.
Is that what you think?
You need to consider what else Fiat own.
And how long Fiat has been in business.
Just because they sell fewer cars in the US than some manufacturers means little.
People outside of the US buy cars you know.
Oh yeah.
And since Ford have been stopped from damaging Jaguar Land Rover with their penny pinching and car design by committee Tata have invested properly.
The new Ingenium engines are the cleanest in their segment at the moment and are being built in Jaguar own engine plant.
A new plant in Brazil will make vehicles for South America, not sure if they will also be exporting to North America but I would think it is likely.
Another plant is being built for the Asian markets.
Thank goodness that Ford was outed in time before JLR was banckrupted.
And since Ford have been stopped from damaging Jaguar Land Rover with their penny pinching and car design by committee Tata have invested properly.
The new Ingenium engines are the cleanest in their segment at the moment and are being built in Jaguar own engine plant.
A new plant in Brazil will make vehicles for South America, not sure if they will also be exporting to North America but I would think it is likely.
Another plant is being built for the Asian markets.
Thank goodness that Ford was outed in time before JLR was banckrupted.
Chrysler has a business office in Auburn Hills, MI. but there are no executives on permanent assignment there and certainly no Americans in upper management beyond a few figure heads. Keeping the product names alive is good for business but in reality Chrysler as a company founded by Walter P. Chrysler does not exist, anymore. Tom McCahill would be very disappointed.
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Chrysler is paying for Fiat's lunch. Fiat sales are down and are a disappointment in the US. On the otherhand Chrysler is doing great with RAM and Jeep especially.
Lol.
Is that what you think?
You need to consider what else Fiat own.
And how long Fiat has been in business.
Just because they sell fewer cars in the US than some manufacturers means little.
People outside of the US buy cars you know.
exactly.
The cars Fiat makes today are not the cars they sold in the US in the 70's.
Just for Folks enlightenment, here is a sampling of the brands FIAT owns
aside from Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Mopar/etc.)
Fiat
Alfa Romeo
Ferrari
Lancia
Maserati
Magneti Marelli
VM Moturi
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Chrysler is paying for Fiat's lunch. Fiat sales are down and are a disappointment in the US. On the otherhand Chrysler is doing great with RAM and Jeep especially.
Lol.
Is that what you think?
You need to consider what else Fiat own.
And how long Fiat has been in business.
Just because they sell fewer cars in the US than some manufacturers means little.
People outside of the US buy cars you know.
exactly.
The cars Fiat makes today are not the cars they sold in the US in the 70's.
Just for Folks enlightenment, here is a sampling of the brands FIAT owns
aside from Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Mopar/etc.)Fiat
Alfa Romeo
Ferrari
Lancia
Maserati
Magneti Marelli
VM Moturi
Originally Posted By: bigjl
...Many say the same thing about French cars.
Not a lot of French cars availiable in the United States.
Renault made a stab at it in the '70s through the '80s. Many of the same problems with Fiat at the time. Not enough technicians that knew how to fix them at the AMC dealership and sketchy parts availiability.
I mean when you look at an AMC, it's not exactly the most modern car of its time. I love AMCs but c'mon, they used a flathead until 1965. It's no surprise that the techs couldn't figure out a Renault 5 (Le Car) or 9 (Alliance)
But American Peugeot 505 owners were very proud of their cars. They would sneer at Mercedes Benzes touting their car's superior ride.
...Many say the same thing about French cars.
Not a lot of French cars availiable in the United States.
Renault made a stab at it in the '70s through the '80s. Many of the same problems with Fiat at the time. Not enough technicians that knew how to fix them at the AMC dealership and sketchy parts availiability.
I mean when you look at an AMC, it's not exactly the most modern car of its time. I love AMCs but c'mon, they used a flathead until 1965. It's no surprise that the techs couldn't figure out a Renault 5 (Le Car) or 9 (Alliance)
But American Peugeot 505 owners were very proud of their cars. They would sneer at Mercedes Benzes touting their car's superior ride.
Originally Posted By: earlyre
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Chrysler is paying for Fiat's lunch. Fiat sales are down and are a disappointment in the US. On the otherhand Chrysler is doing great with RAM and Jeep especially.
Lol.
Is that what you think?
You need to consider what else Fiat own.
And how long Fiat has been in business.
Just because they sell fewer cars in the US than some manufacturers means little.
People outside of the US buy cars you know.
exactly.
The cars Fiat makes today are not the cars they sold in the US in the 70's.
Just for Folks enlightenment, here is a sampling of the brands FIAT ownsaside from Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Mopar/etc.)
Fiat
Alfa Romeo
Ferrari
Lancia
Maserati
Magneti Marelli
VM Moturi
Is Iveco defunct now? or did Fiat sell them?
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Chrysler is paying for Fiat's lunch. Fiat sales are down and are a disappointment in the US. On the otherhand Chrysler is doing great with RAM and Jeep especially.
Lol.
Is that what you think?
You need to consider what else Fiat own.
And how long Fiat has been in business.
Just because they sell fewer cars in the US than some manufacturers means little.
People outside of the US buy cars you know.
exactly.
The cars Fiat makes today are not the cars they sold in the US in the 70's.
Just for Folks enlightenment, here is a sampling of the brands FIAT owns
aside from Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Mopar/etc.)Fiat
Alfa Romeo
Ferrari
Lancia
Maserati
Magneti Marelli
VM Moturi
Is Iveco defunct now? or did Fiat sell them?
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Chrysler is paying for Fiat's lunch. Fiat sales are down and are a disappointment in the US. On the otherhand Chrysler is doing great with RAM and Jeep especially.
Lol.
Is that what you think?
You need to consider what else Fiat own.
And how long Fiat has been in business.
Just because they sell fewer cars in the US than some manufacturers means little.
People outside of the US buy cars you know.
Except it's the truth.
Fiat needed Chrysler as much as Chrysler needed Fiat.
Nobody would touch Chrysler after a bankruptcy. After the failed merger with Daimler and the absolute gutting by Cerberus, Chrysler was worthless and would have likely been picked apart... if not for the US government and Fiat.
Fiat had a different problem: They had no free cash flow. Europe had undergone a massive industry shrink and was stagnant. Since 2009, there has been little growth in Europe. There was no way to grow Fiat's business and they desperately needed more revenue. Enter... US government and Chrysler.
"People outside the US buy cars you know" is a true statement... but North America is the #2 market in the world and it's a massive liability to not sell here. When a government gives you the opportunity, FOR FREE, to begin operations by assuming management of an existing automaker, you don't say no.
Chrysler isn't dead. Fiat has a HUGE new source of revenue. Plus, Fiat got a free pass to reorganize it's operations. All in all, it cost Fiat about $5 billion to assume all of Chrysler, controls about $118 billion in yearly revenue, and sits on a paltry $14 billion in net debt.
All because of the sweet deal they got on Chrysler. So, yes, Chrysler is paying for much of Fiat's success over the past 5-6 years.
The lack of Fiat sales in America are a complete non-issue. Why do you need to sell Fiats in America when you can sell Jeeps and Rams? It all goes into the same coffers now.
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Chrysler is paying for Fiat's lunch. Fiat sales are down and are a disappointment in the US. On the otherhand Chrysler is doing great with RAM and Jeep especially.
Lol.
Is that what you think?
You need to consider what else Fiat own.
And how long Fiat has been in business.
Just because they sell fewer cars in the US than some manufacturers means little.
People outside of the US buy cars you know.
Except it's the truth.
Fiat needed Chrysler as much as Chrysler needed Fiat.
Nobody would touch Chrysler after a bankruptcy. After the failed merger with Daimler and the absolute gutting by Cerberus, Chrysler was worthless and would have likely been picked apart... if not for the US government and Fiat.
Fiat had a different problem: They had no free cash flow. Europe had undergone a massive industry shrink and was stagnant. Since 2009, there has been little growth in Europe. There was no way to grow Fiat's business and they desperately needed more revenue. Enter... US government and Chrysler.
"People outside the US buy cars you know" is a true statement... but North America is the #2 market in the world and it's a massive liability to not sell here. When a government gives you the opportunity, FOR FREE, to begin operations by assuming management of an existing automaker, you don't say no.
Chrysler isn't dead. Fiat has a HUGE new source of revenue. Plus, Fiat got a free pass to reorganize it's operations. All in all, it cost Fiat about $5 billion to assume all of Chrysler, controls about $118 billion in yearly revenue, and sits on a paltry $14 billion in net debt.
All because of the sweet deal they got on Chrysler. So, yes, Chrysler is paying for much of Fiat's success over the past 5-6 years.
The lack of Fiat sales in America are a complete non-issue. Why do you need to sell Fiats in America when you can sell Jeeps and Rams? It all goes into the same coffers now.
Originally Posted By: bigjl
And since Ford have been stopped from damaging Jaguar Land Rover with their penny pinching and car design by committee Tata have invested properly.
Thank goodness that Ford was outed in time before JLR was banckrupted.
Do you really think Jaguar would have survived without Ford?
I understand Ford didn't do Jaguar many favors when it came to product, but Ford had deep pockets that kept Jaguar chugging along far longer than it would have as an independent automaker.
Ford acquired Jaguar in 1989. Look at the quality of car Jaguar was making in 1989. Was that sustainable without a parent company? No.
And since Ford have been stopped from damaging Jaguar Land Rover with their penny pinching and car design by committee Tata have invested properly.
Thank goodness that Ford was outed in time before JLR was banckrupted.
Do you really think Jaguar would have survived without Ford?
I understand Ford didn't do Jaguar many favors when it came to product, but Ford had deep pockets that kept Jaguar chugging along far longer than it would have as an independent automaker.
Ford acquired Jaguar in 1989. Look at the quality of car Jaguar was making in 1989. Was that sustainable without a parent company? No.
http://m.wsj.com/articles/fiat-profit-pl...723767?mobile=y
Fiat's majority sales come from the US. Revenue growth in the US while drop in the EU. They lose money in EU as well. So yes I believe that Chrysler carries Fiat.
Fiat's majority sales come from the US. Revenue growth in the US while drop in the EU. They lose money in EU as well. So yes I believe that Chrysler carries Fiat.
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Originally Posted By: crw
Quite frankly, the company called Chrysler "ceased to exist" a few years back. It was bankrupt and legally gone, at least as far as it's old shares and their value. What you have now is a new company called Chrysler owned by Fiat.
Same thing technically happened to GM.
Quite frankly, the company called Chrysler "ceased to exist" a few years back. It was bankrupt and legally gone, at least as far as it's old shares and their value. What you have now is a new company called Chrysler owned by Fiat.
Same thing technically happened to GM.
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