How come the 350 chevy is still made?

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

Of course one can still buy a 350 Chevy engine. One with the money can buy just about any V8 engine one desires.
There are a host of companies from:
Chevrolet.com: offers only about 20 small blocks from 350cui all the way to 427cui.
Then they also have about 15 or more Big Blocks for sale.
Summitracing.com offers a host of engines from GM and FORD.
Blueprintengines.com offers all kinds of engines from GM / FORD and CHRYSLER
Just to name a few. There are probably over twenty or more places one can buy any cubic inch / horsepower V8 engine they want.

 

[OVERKILL]

The issue I have with this Thread is what was said about the EPA making them stop production. I believe you have a 302 Ford Engine in 1 of your cars, it gets to an emotional issue regarding certain engines. Your 302 Engine, and maybe even a 350 Chevy engine with Fuel injection and efficient cylinder heads and a Cat Converter could have very good tailpipe emission readings.

Amusingly, my old '87 GT would pass tailpipe emissions testing with no cats (barely, but it passed). While I've owned quite a few, and wrenched on quite a few Windsors, the only ones we own right now are in our boats. One has a 302, the other has a 351W.

I do have a Car Craft Magazine where they did AFR Heads on a 302 Engine and they got almost 400 Horsepower, not bad in a Fox Body that is Lightweight.

Yeah, Trickflow sells a top-end kit for the 302 that they claim made 432HP:
FORD Trick Flow Specialties TFS-K525-432-370 Trick Flow® Twisted Wedge® 11R Top-End Engine Kits for Small Block Ford | Trick Flow Specialties

The cost to retrofit an LS Engine in a Chevy or a Coyote Engine into a Ford that did not have either engine can get very expensive.

An LS1 Engine with a Mild Cam and AFR Heads, a 376 CI Engine, about 481 Horsepower
A Small Block Chevy with the same Mild Cam and the best AFR Heads, maybe about 429 Horsepower

The Mild Cam would be a 208-221 Camshaft that was in the ZZ-4 350 Engine, the Hot Cam has more Horsepower but not much more in the Torque Department.

Yup, the LS is just a more capable mill.

You can buy a number of larger cubed Windsors as well, including a 347ci 302-based bill, a 363ci 302-based mill and if you step-up to the 351W deck height, both 427ci and 460ci ones. If you are putting it where there was a Windsor (or a Windsor available) originally, it's typically a lot less work, and time has value.

 

[nthach]

Not just boats and old muscle cars/hot rods and the SBC in general, but quite a few older American engines are still being made for industrial applications - like ag, power generation and even airport ground equipment. The Ford 4.9L I6 is still used in airports these days as tugs to push planes back off the apron. The Iron Duke is also being built, and school buses if they’re aren’t using an older Navistar/Cummins/CAT diesel, they’re using an SBC/BBC running propane or natural gas - there’s countless gas-powered backup gen sets using a GM or Ford engine if they’re aren’t using a Cummins/Kubota diesel. The old Toyota Y-series engine is still used in their forklifts.

 

[Brian123]

Amusingly, my old '87 GT would pass tailpipe emissions testing with no cats (barely, but it passed). While I've owned quite a few, and wrenched on quite a few Windsors, the only ones we own right now are in our boats. One has a 302, the other has a 351W.

The above reference is from Overkill, I do not know how to do the quote thing. LOL

I had a 1982 Chevrolet Monte Carlo where the limit on Hydrocarbons was like 155 and with a Cat Converter the reading was 33, well the Converter Clogged because I did some dumb stuff like taking off the Snorkel Air Cleaner Assembly and doing the Open-Air Element thing, all I gained was more noise. I got someone to unclog the Converter and put it back on the car. The next time I went through emissions my HC Reading was only 63

 

[Justin85114]

A lot of dirt track racing classes still use the chevy 350 crate late or factory stock.

 

[350Rocket]

One day we are talking performance, next day touting efficiency?

If efficiency gets your panties wet and you guys have never discovered the Olds 307, you've been missing out! Probably the last emissions compliant carbureted V8 in the US market. Bonus: it's even more lame than the 302!

Well the thread was about "why is the Chevy 350 still made?" Therefore emissions (not efficiency as you just slipped up in your last post) is going to be part of the discussion.

I've personally owned a 2 of each, 302s, 307s and 305s. And no 2 were the same as they were different years, different applications, different compression ratio and even EFI vs carburetor on the 302 and 305.

But apparently for you it doesn't matter what the vehicle is, they should all have a Chevy 350? Lol. I'm sure you don't care what other people think of you or your vehicle but at a car show I literally walk faster past almost any vehicle with an sbc swap under the hood and I know I'm far from the only one.

The LS is a much better engine but even it's starting to go that way.

 

[emmett442]

Swapped or otherwise, SBF or SBC, I'd walk faster past any Ford Ranger at a car show. Not every swapped vehicle is show worthy or needs to be seen. Furthermore, this is especially true in this day and age where you can buy prefabbed swap kits for anything and everything, and there's little craftsmanship to admire. But the plethora of uninteresting project vehicles that are parked at car shows are another topic anyway.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

I don't like hopped up compact std cab trucks, I keep breaking the rear cab window with my noggin on the 1-2 shift

For an under 3g's street build, it is hard to beat junkyard SBC with (not cracked) vortec heads and a mild cam and a little summit 8600 fuel mixer and a good hot dist. This will out do a early gen I with 291 humps - not that it matters much.

Anything more, and drivetrain costs go way up unless you go (yawn) slushbox. Torque and flywheel shock breaks things. I thought my Saginaw M26 would go to lunch first, but my rear yoke at the diff fractured(!) and I had to go find my driveshaft that left the party on a 1-2 and climbed the curb.
Lucky for me and them, no pedestrians on the sidewalk.
Good old 67 Chevy II. Guys are asking big dollars for those little things these days.

 

[DuckRyder]

Geez I bet you’re a barrel of laughs at parties…

 

[350Rocket]

Swapped or otherwise, SBF or SBC, I'd walk faster past any Ford Ranger at a car show. Not every swapped vehicle is show worthy or needs to be seen. Furthermore, this is especially true in this day and age where you can buy prefabbed swap kits for anything and everything, and there's little craftsmanship to admire. But the plethora of uninteresting project vehicles that are parked at car shows are another topic anyway.

Geez I bet you’re a barrel of laughs at parties…

I think it's time to give up on this discussion. Apparently we're all idiots if we would use anything but an sbc in everything. Lol.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

I think it's time to give up on this discussion. Apparently we're all idiots if we would use anything but an sbc in everything. Lol.

Long live the V8 engines! Short or Long block! I went to look into buying a Ford Bronco to relive the one I owned years ago.
I find out the base engine being offered is a FORD 3 cylinder ! YIKES. To get a 4 cylinder you have to pay for the off road upgrade and the price changed my mind.

 

[GMBoy]

Cheap and plentiful. And they go into an emissions exempt chassis.

But the LS is becoming the New Gen 1 and replacing it.
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Too many dudes SADLY putting SBC and GM drivetrains into old Fords - and I am a 60's GM hot rodder !

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Hey, you can still buy a complete fresh Big Block 502 from the Chevy parts counter 500HP and 580 lb-ft torque

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I agree with you!!! I have a real, steel body '32 Ford roadster and it has a 57 Thunderbird 312 V8 with side pipes. I enjoy usually being the only "real Ford street rod" at car shows with all the fiberglass kits with Chevy motors.

 

[350Rocket]

Long live the V8 engines! Short or Long block! I went to look into buying a Ford Bronco to relive the one I owned years ago.
I find out the base engine being offered is a FORD 3 cylinder ! YIKES. To get a 4 cylinder you have to pay for the off road upgrade and the price changed my mind.

That's the Bronco sport which is more like an Escape than a real Bronco. The regular Bronco has a 4 cylinder or 2.7 V6 EcoBoost but the price on that one would probably really change your mind.

 

[umungus1122]

And if we start having these discussions, one just goes 350.

We've come full circle.

302 vs 305 stock config is relatively the same performance, but no one cares about that.

Yep. They were close. TPI in 90 to 92 camaro made 230 hp with manual, 220 hp with auto. 302 put out 225hp in the H.O. during the same period of time. So pretty evenly matched.

 

[umungus1122]

One day we are talking performance, next day touting efficiency?

If efficiency gets your panties wet and you guys have never discovered the Olds 307, you've been missing out! Probably the last emissions compliant carbureted V8 in the US market. Bonus: it's even more lame than the 302!

And one of the most reliable, efficient, and tough engines out there for low cost.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

And one of the most reliable, efficient, and tough engines out there for low cost.

I had two vehicles with the FORD 302 v8 engines. Both were the start of EFI engines. One was in my FORD Bronco (full size) and the other was in my 1994 FORD F150XLT with towing package. They were great engines and never needed a bit of repair work other than my preventive maintenance. They were both pretty fast when I press the foot down for what they were and the Bronco got good gas mileage. The F150..... not so much. Seemed like I could not pass a gas station without fill up unless I was driving highway. Highway was not so bad.
I liked that last 302 I had I really for a while thought about putting into my last Chevelle. But everyone talked me out of putting a FORD in my Chevy! LoL. I LOVE all brands so it was not a sin to me.

 

[fdcg27]

What should be cause for celebration among us all is that some current Corvettes use pushrod Chevy power.
I posted this years ago and it still holds true:

Chevy does it again!

I got the February issue of Car&Driver in the mail Monday. The mag had done another one of its bunch of fast cars track runs at Viginia International Raceway. The news is that the Camaro ZL1 bested every car present save the Ferrari 458 Italia and the Lexus LFA. German engineering proved no...

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Long live the pushrod Chevy V-8!

 

[Lawnman23]

So coincidentally...this:

 

[The motor guy]

So coincidentally...this:

Massive gains lmao

 

[OVERKILL]

So coincidentally...this:

Predictable conclusion with the factory heads. The difference of course is that you have a much wider selection of deeper breathing aftermarket heads for the 302, because of the 4" bores.