How come the 350 chevy is still made?

400HP? The clowns putting an SBC in a Ranger are shoving in a 165HP 305 2BBL that breaths like it has emphysema with a dead-tired 700R4 behind it that you can make a coffee before it slides into the next gear. It's being done because they get off on pissing people off by doing it, not because the power ceiling is a legitimate concern.

The 302 is a drop-in for the Ranger, the SBC isn't. An S-Trimmed HCI 302 will easily make >500 to the tires before you run out of factory block, which, in a Ranger, is totally useless, so crowing about "muh 400HP SBC" misses the point by a country mile.
That’s why we put 120hp c-code 6.2 diesel’s in everything. That and with a manual you can pull -30-40mpg if you have it in a smaller or car like vehicle

 
So, after all of that, put a 350 in everything? Most displacement, most potential for the least money? Cheap swap kits for everything you can think of for someone who has a few bucks and can't fab anything?

Not sure conclusions have been drawn outside of being afraid of not being able to get non-stock rad hoses at the AutoZone counter being a deterrent. Again, you have to remember that the people who do this stuff are doing the best they can with what they have available. The hurdles you have in mind are insignificant. Nobody cares about retaining ECM/wiring. It's a f***ing Ranger, not a modern GT350. A Holley and HEI is cheap, simple, effective.

302 potential and availability < 350. Always has been, is the reason for it's popularity and the creation of this thread. No one has asked why the Ford small block is swapped into everything, including industrial, agricultural equipment, chainsaws, gocarts, motorcycles, you name it. People make swap kits for the 350 into everything because at least a few people think it's worth it. Even Ford products. How many Ford small block-to-GM vehicle mount kits are available?

Go ahead, preach how the 302 is better. History has spoken
 
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Again, you have to remember that the people who do this stuff are doing the best they can with what they have available.
"The people that do this stuff" were me and my friends, building rigs to cruise the streets and take down the track. Finding a good 350 wasn't any easier than a good 302. Lots of Mustangs in the wreckers that had been smacked, same with Explorers. That said, we had several SBC swapped S10's and S15's, some were slow, some were reasonably quick, the only fast one had a high dollar Dart blocked 400 in it and wasn't very streetable.
The hurdles you have in mind are insignificant. Nobody cares about retaining ECM/wiring. It's a f***ing Ranger, not a modern GT350. A Holley and HEI is cheap, simple, effective.
Having actually done these swaps, when looking for something that was reliably street drivable, wanting things like functional gauges, cruise control, good driveability and air conditioning were considerations. Being able to use EEC-IV for tuning on the Ford-based apps was absolutely something that was preferred where possible. There was (and still is) a ton of aftermarket support in the Mustang scene that could be leaned on at low cost and EEC-IV in MAF trim was extremely flexible with mods.

A proper swap, where everything works, not Bubba hacking in some carb'd junkyard weezer, is infinitely easier with a drop-in harness and factory ECM, as is fitting the 302 that was factory available in the chassis.
302 potential and availability < 350. Always has been, is the reason for it's popularity and the creation of this thread. No one has asked why the Ford small block is swapped into everything.
The question, and title of this thread, was why the 350 was still being made.

Most of the responses speculated marine use, where the LSx engines have now mostly taken its place.

GM continues to manufacture and sell SBC crate motors for the same reason Ford does: the demand exists.
 
I guess they don't put them in automobiles anymore, but I'm surprised the epa hasn't made them stop production. Aren't they told to stop making them after a while? I know they're still heavily used in boats and such, so there is still a demand for them.
Used in many applications such as boats which I just noticed that you said 🙃
EPA can’t tell a company what to make only regulate it to death on our shores.
The USA is only a tiny percent of the world’s population. I’m sure many uses in other countries too
 
If I was a Ford guy, I would put a 221 or 260 or 383 SBF into the ranger with hand shifted 5 gears. That way I won't fish tail it into a pole the first week of hooliganism :) And enjoy some of that fuel mileage.

@emmett442 can put a 347 stroker in his to get some cubes; or a 350 chebbie in his S-10, and we will walk by because ... YAwN

Digs? Dial-in or heads be up a whole 'nother bailiwick. Have at it!

How 'bout a "glass-block" Buick 455 in a S-15 Jimmy - with some aluminum bits up top - it's lighter than the SBC
 
I bought a crate engine SBC for my 72 C10 several years back. It came with a 350 SBC from the factory. That's one reason they are still made.

Automotive engine shops are sadly becoming scarce nowadays. A crate engine may end up being less hassle.
 
I bought a crate engine SBC for my 72 C10 several years back. It came with a 350 SBC from the factory. That's one reason they are still made.

Automotive engine shops are sadly becoming scarce nowadays. A crate engine may end up being less hassle.
Yup, hot rodding and restomodding is dying. We (I'm in my early 40's) are the kids of the guys that would build the V8 T-buckets and put a built 350 in a wagon that came with a 283 2BBL or shoehorn a 534 BBF into a Pinto. Chome and highly polished acrylic enamel. Cruise Night, car shows. These guys are in their 70's and 80's now.

My generation was the Fox body and 3rd gen F-body rivalry. EEC-IV vs TPI. We generally liked fuel injection (hence my purposeful pursuit of an SEFI SBF when we were ski boat shopping). We grew up around carburetors but were young enough to embrace what replaced them rather than reject it. The LS1 entered the scene, and was becoming affordable and modable by the time most of us started having kids and other obligations got in the way. We also saw the rise of the imports and the fun competition that wrought. Megasquirt appeared, providing the opportunity for highly customizable fuel injection in pretty much any application if you were willing to spend the time and money. Holley later brought out their bolt-on EFI offerings, which were more affordable and easier to setup.

But, now even the tuner scene has all but disappeared here locally. The kids modding Civics all got old and had kids.

You'll see the odd fox (I have a friend who never got out, he's still building them and racing them), the odd 2nd or 3rd gen Camaro, most often for sale on Market Place by guys I used to hang out with, but on the road, it's mostly tarted up Hyundai/KIA cars being driven by east Indians and the odd Charger or Challenger. The newer Mustang/Camaro/Challenger scene isn't anything like it was for the 80's and 90's cars, I see far more Bro-dozers than those.

It's a sign of the times though. Look at parts stores now, going the same way as engine shops. Turning wrenches isn't the hobby it was when we were kids, I have three children, none of them have friends that tinker like my buddies and I did.

In many ways, there are parallels to home audio. It used to be a popular hobby with well-known brands producing quality gear and Joe Average could build a pretty awesome system. Now those brands either no longer exist or produce commodity garbage in China. The truly high quality stuff that IS available, the cost of entry for "affordable" starts with Bryston and McIntosh and goes up from there. Things get nutty when you get into more audiophile-oriented gear. I had a sweet multi-piece Pioneer combo with Cerwin Vega speakers when I was in my teens, my kids have portable bluetooth speakers.
 
IIRC, Mercury hasn't offered the old GM based engines in years. A while back, they switch to their own in-house designs.
I think you are right. They even make V8 and V10 outboards now (3 to 4 of those needed on the back of some of the big outboard powered boats made these days: those would have all been inboards back in the day. Back in the day the highest performance engine in a Corvette was a Mercury made V8.
 
Why is it still made?
Yes from not only the original manufacture, but also many other outfits as well.
Simple answer is it is the best ever design of an automotive V-8 engine ever conceived.
The last 2 designs that followed were nice as well.
 
Yup, hot rodding and restomodding is dying.

NO place for kids to go anymore, all the drag strips are closed down and if there is one its rule booked to death and super expensive, and even quick show downs in all but abandoned at night industrial areas ends ups with everyone in jail and the cars impounded.

The old men Dad/ Gramps gave me a few snippets of wisdom this one comes to mind, never drag race against car with a parachute or numbers painted on the side.

Another good one but for another thread is never play cards with someone whose nickname is a city, or state e.g. "Cincinnati" Jim, or "Kentucky" Joe.


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You can buy a 632 now with 1,000 HP right from the catalog:

https://www.chevrolet.com/performance-parts/crate-engines/big-block/zz-632
That is an absolute unit! Chrysler sells a 426 HEMI 1,000HP crate engine as well, but its boosted.
 
Amazing Thread, we went from Chevy, then Ford, and then Chrysler. We went from a 350 Chevy Engine to the LS Engines.

Here is something to digest, you can put the best cylinder heads on a small block chevy and the best cylinder heads on a LS Motor, both motors with the same Roller Camshaft Specs, and same Cubic Inches, and the LS Motor will have more Power. I am basing my Cylinder head Info by looking at the specs of AFR Cylinder Heads of both there LS Heads and their Small Block Chevy Heads.
 
Amazing Thread, we went from Chevy, then Ford, and then Chrysler. We went from a 350 Chevy Engine to the LS Engines.

Here is something to digest, you can put the best cylinder heads on a small block chevy and the best cylinder heads on a LS Motor, both motors with the same Roller Camshaft Specs, and same Cubic Inches, and the LS Motor will have more Power. I am basing my Cylinder head Info by looking at the specs of AFR Cylinder Heads of both there LS Heads and their Small Block Chevy Heads.
Yes, the LSx engines are better than the SBC, and architecturally, are arguably more similar to the Ford Windsor engines than the SBC they replaced (lack of siamesed runners, same style of head bolts, same cylinder firing order...etc.).

The LSx family offers fantastic bang-for-buck and can take absolutely insane amounts of boost (unlike the Modulars, Termi excepted). A junkyard 5.3 with a pair of hairdryers on it can yield insane performance and surprising durability for very little money.

Dollar for dollar, you can't beat the LSx at this point. Doesn't mean you can't build a wild HEMI, Godzilla or Coyote engine, but it won't be as cheap.
 
I didn't read through the thread in case it was answered, but how does the 350 compare to the L84 and L87, is there any relationship?

This chart seems to match their displacements.

 
Amazing Thread, we went from Chevy, then Ford, and then Chrysler. We went from a 350 Chevy Engine to the LS Engines.

Here is something to digest, you can put the best cylinder heads on a small block chevy and the best cylinder heads on a LS Motor, both motors with the same Roller Camshaft Specs, and same Cubic Inches, and the LS Motor will have more Power. I am basing my Cylinder head Info by looking at the specs of AFR Cylinder Heads of both there LS Heads and their Small Block Chevy Heads.

Thats pretty much every engine thread.

Yup, LS heads flow better than gen 1 heads and are more streetable in doing so.
It's not surprising (to me) the newer stuff is better.

What is surprising to me is how much you can get from the old stuff with relatively little money and effort.
 
Yes, the LSx engines are better than the SBC, and architecturally, are arguably more similar to the Ford Windsor engines than the SBC they replaced (lack of siamesed runners, same style of head bolts, same cylinder firing order...etc.).

The LSx family offers fantastic bang-for-buck and can take absolutely insane amounts of boost (unlike the Modulars, Termi excepted). A junkyard 5.3 with a pair of hairdryers on it can yield insane performance and surprising durability for very little money.

Dollar for dollar, you can't beat the LSx at this point. Doesn't mean you can't build a wild HEMI, Godzilla or Coyote engine, but it won't be as cheap.
I agree with you 100%

I guess they don't put them in automobiles anymore, but I'm surprised the epa hasn't made them stop production. Aren't they told to stop making them after a while? I know they're still heavily used in boats and such, so there is still a demand for them.

The issue I have with this Thread is what was said about the EPA making them stop production. I believe you have a 302 Ford Engine in 1 of your cars, it gets to an emotional issue regarding certain engines. Your 302 Engine, and maybe even a 350 Chevy engine with Fuel injection and efficient cylinder heads and a Cat Converter could have very good tailpipe emission readings.

I do have a Car Craft Magazine where they did AFR Heads on a 302 Engine and they got almost 400 Horsepower, not bad in a Fox Body that is Lightweight. The cost to retrofit an LS Engine in a Chevy or a Coyote Engine into a Ford that did not have either engine can get very expensive.

An LS1 Engine with a Mild Cam and AFR Heads, a 376 CI Engine, about 481 Horsepower
A Small Block Chevy with the same Mild Cam and the best AFR Heads, maybe about 429 Horsepower

The Mild Cam would be a 208-221 Camshaft that was in the ZZ-4 350 Engine, the Hot Cam has more Horsepower but not much more in the Torque Department.
 
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