Honda vs Toro

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My 9-year old Honda Harmony walk behind is losing power, smoking etc,... so I'm looking to replace it. I've narrowed down the field to a Toro 20057 (OHV 6.5 hp Briggs w/ oil filter) or a Honda HRX.

Anybody out there with one of these mowers who can give me some input?
 
I would think a Honda would be a better choice. I personally did not buy a Toro because they use Tecumseh engines. I purchased a High Wheel, 3 way Craftsman with a 6.75hp Briggs and it works great.
 
harbor, I have one about twice as old (a model 214) and it runs superb. No loss of power.

It has a goofy stalling problem ... like it's running out of fuel after 20 minutes of use. Throwing it on choke for 60 seconds keeps it running for another 10-15 minuts then the cycle repeats. But while running normally, it runs as strong as new.

Did you ever change the oil in yours?
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--- Bror Jace
 
Bror Jace - Yep, that's the disappointing part. Since I'm an obsessive/compulsive lubrication freak like the rest of us on this board, I changed the oil frequently, new plug, clean air filter,etc...

I've got an older Deere push mower with a Kawasaki engine, with more hours than the Honda, that runs like new. I must have got a bad Harmony.
 
What model engine is on that Harmony? Is it an OHV engine with cast iron cylinder bore, or does it have an aluminum bore? I think the quality of any big name deck is going to be good. When I bought my two mowers recently, I was looking at the engine. I was tired of B&S engines...I never had one that really impressed me...so when I bought my Craftsman mower, I was looking for something with a Honda engine, at a good price. I found a FWD Craftsman mower with a Honda OHC "residential" engine (GCV160). This is a fairly decent $300 mower, with a great engine.

Shortly thereafter, I went looking for a "real" Honda mower to compliment the Craftsman. I wanted a Honda OHV "commercial" engine this time (GXV140). I found a Honda Masters mower (almost $1000 new) for $300 from someone on Gardenweb. It was a few years old and had choke problems. I fixed the choke problems and it runs like a top.

I think with the reputation of the Honda GCV OHC engines, you couldn't go wrong with a new HRX. It'll have the GCV190 (6.5 hp). Keep in mind that Briggs engine with oil filter doesn't have a pressurized lube system like the filter would suggest. There's just a small pump to the filter, but the engine itself is still splash-lubed. It sounds like you're mindful of the lubrication of your small engines (as am I), so the oil probably doesn't stay in there long enough to get dirty anyway (mine sure doesn't).
 
The new Toros I saw the other day at the hardware store had B&S engines in them. Personally I would make the decision based on which one (if either) is American made. Both are decent engines and will run a long time. BTW I have a 16 year old Lawn-Boy that still runs like new with no problems except for a bad coil several years ago. I think you can still get the 2-stroke ones but they are being discontinued.
 
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Originally posted by cousincletus:
The new Toros I saw the other day at the hardware store had B&S engines in them. Personally I would make the decision based on which one (if either) is American made. Both are decent engines and will run a long time. BTW I have a 16 year old Lawn-Boy that still runs like new with no problems except for a bad coil several years ago. I think you can still get the 2-stroke ones but they are being discontinued.

I believe Honda engines are made at their factory in North Carolina.
 
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I recently spent 2 months researching mowers and decided upon a Toro SuperRecycler #20037 for its superior mulching ability, nifty variable speed propulsion system, aluminum deck and the old-style Briggs & Stratton combusting internally power device due to its tried-and-true design.

The Honda consumer version mowers use their low-budget engine and I read a few too many reports of problems and high parts costs. Still, Honda does make a good mower but for my needs the $150 less I spent for the Toro while obtaining excellent muching led to my liver quivering as much as it does about the Liquid Glass concoction protecting the conveyance's paint.

Yep.
 
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Originally posted by 1999nick:
I believe Honda engines are made at their factory in North Carolina.

They are. Right down the road, about 2 hours from me, near Burlington, NC. I have two of them, a GCV160 and a GXV140. Both are excellent, world class engines. I think you'll find users' experiences here with Honda to be second to none.
 
Whatever the outcome, whatever the make/model decided upon, at the least ye knoweth that shouted-out question, "Hey!!!! That thing gotta' hemi in it?" will never disturb yer' mowing concentration.
 
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Originally posted by Bror Jace:
harbor, I have one about twice as old (a model 214) and it runs superb. No loss of power.

It has a goofy stalling problem ... like it's running out of fuel after 20 minutes of use. Throwing it on choke for 60 seconds keeps it running for another 10-15 minuts then the cycle repeats. But while running normally, it runs as strong as new.

Did you ever change the oil in yours?
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--- Bror Jace


Have you tried losing the gas cap to let air in the tank when this happens? It could be a clogged tank vent.
 
Dont waste your time on the Toro! Anyone that says Honda has high prices doesnt know what they are talking about OR has a bad dealer.

I repair ALOT more Toro than Honda and I do not sell Toro anylonger. The personal pace system is a joke, be prepared to buy cables, wheel bolt break often on Toros, the deck is not as strong, the trans. goes out alot more often with the personal pace system, ......

I could go on and on but I wont, buy what feels right in your hands. Snapper and some others will be a better choice than the Toro.

Also, you may want to have your mower checked out by a dealer, that is fairly new to see that.
 
I just bought a Cub Cadet with a Kawasaki FJ180V 6 hp. It has a true pressureized oiling system. No timing belt, its a push rod OHV with tappets. I have only used it twice (15,000 Sq ft of grass each time) and its very smooth and starts easy as it has an automatic Compression release. Just my 2 bits worth. DaveJ
 
Dont forget when you talk about lawnmowers that the engine is only 50% of the machine! Look at the rest and make your decision!
 
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