The video did state that some fuel/air mix is momentarily pumped back out, but that doesn't make sense. That would mean that the air ratio isn't really controlled by the delayed intake valve closure, and the air drawn in by the cylinder in following cycles will already have fuel in it and mess up the ratios. I don't know, but I suspect that the air pumped back isn't charged. They probably delay the injectors until the intake closes, as normal. But even if that isn't the case, the air pumped back can't go far since there is pressure from air passing the throttle.quote:
Originally posted by bulwnkl:
Just wondering; how do they get away with shunting charged air (meaning that which already has fuel mixed in) back out into the intake manifold?
What did you mean they took from Atkinson Cycle? Longer intake stroke? But Atkinson engine has the power stroke longer then intake stroke. That's how it is more efficient then Otto. Am I missing something?quote:
Originally posted by DR Racing:
Honda has done it again with a brilliant design combining the best of the atkinson cycle with the best of the Otto cycle all in one engine.
After reading all responses on this one I still don't understand how do they get around this problem. We are talking about air-fuel mixture, not just the air because it is not direct-injection engine. So you suggest that after the last intake valve closes, the portion of the mixture travels to the different intake port? Not likely... If it stays suspended waiting for the next intake cycle, how likely is the wall condensation?quote:
Originally posted by DR Racing:
The intake manifold volume will hold the back pumping mixture and just use it on the next cyl cycle. The fuel mixture ox sensor feedback loop will keep the mixture right not a problem. Dan
By holding the intake open later you reduce the effective compression ratio enabling the use of a higher static CR which increases the expansion ratio for more efficiency but at a loss of peak power from a poor cylinder fill. The Ford escape hybrid and the Toyota prius also use this scheme but make up for the power loss with electric motor assist. Yes this is not a true atkinson cycle link with the strange crank setup but the end result is almost the same. Danquote:
What did you mean they took from Atkinson Cycle? Longer intake stroke? But Atkinson engine has the power stroke longer then intake stroke. That's how it is more efficient then Otto. Am I missing something?
The Accord 4 (and other vehicles with the 2.4) has had a timing chain since 2003. The V6 still has the timing belt.quote:
Originally posted by Schmoe:
When is the Accord going to a timing chain? Anybody???
That's what the video showed. I'm not sure how the amount bled/pumped out is metered, if at all. Probably doesn't matter and is averaged.quote:
Originally posted by brianl703:
I didn't see the video, but it sounds like the intake valve is left open at the beginning of the compression stroke to bleed the excess air out?quote:
Originally posted by darryld13:
Instead of using the throttle to control the air density (power output), the throttle is left wide open and the excess air that was drawn in due to the WOT is allowed to bleed back out the intake valve before combustion.
Ford started doing this with their 2.0L Zetec engine in 1998. This engine had no EGR valve, instead using adjustable exahust valve timing to provide an EGR-type effect.quote:
Originally posted by oilyriser:
Detonation can be controlled using adjustable exhaust valve timing to retain some exhaust in the cylinders during WOT operation. It's like EGR without an EGR valve.