Simply put race oils are not blended for the long OCIs.. The difference could be something such as the choice of ester (easily oxidized by water generated by short tripping) and the ability to neutralize acids over time. The choice of VII could be another.
Good post. Kind of like "used on the Space Shuttle" or "tested by the military", just because it's used by the racing community does not make it automatically better for every application.
That is bunch if malarky, as one guy would say.
Yes - basically you can take a street oil, like M1 0W40 that is often discussed here, and use it on the track but you shouldn't really use a track oil on the street. I believe you wrote that in some form recently in a post and I agree with it. The track oil is better for the track clearly but how much better? No clue. You can run that track oil on the street but wouldn't want to run it for longer OCIs is how understand it.
Mobil1 also has somewhere instructions to use 0W40 as track oil if the vehicle is in dual use.
The HPL Euro 5W40 is nice that way - does both just fine but definitely not cheap!
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And OP should run it because?That was exactly what the ROWE technican told me.
- Change it every year, no matter how much miles you have collected.
- Best to change it every 6000 Kilometers / 4000 Miles.
- It is a modern Additive pack, save for catalyst.
And you are good to go....He told me that the use of this oil is at my own risk of course, but he told me also that he dont see a single problem in my car if i obey this rules. And he told me that he use it also in his own car at the street.
The TBN of this oil is around 9, neverthelss.
ROWE RACING 10W-40 - Ölanalysen und Ölanalytik für Motor und Getriebe
Hallo zusammen. War neugierig und konnte nicht länger warten, da ich ein neues Sommeröl xxW40 für Trackdays suche. Hier bitte für Alle! Viele Grüße EddyF. --> Meinungsaustausch…
I simply dont like this "Rule of Thumb" thinking. Race oil is not Race oil. It is true that there are many race oils out there that maybe cause harm. But i rather pick up the phone and talk to a technican from the oil manufacturer and ask for advice in such uncommon cases, about a really unknown oil.
Flamesuit on, waiting for replys like "He only told it to you because he want to sell his Product!"
While this recommendation appears quite haphazard without knowing the application, it is an extremely safe one. The 0w rating ensures cold start lubrication regardless of temp; the 40 grade viscosity range is sufficient for nearly any current production engine made in North America (of course there is the 5.0 Coyote track pack), and when one chooses a 0w40 with the respective Euro certs they can be reasonably assured that the oil will perform admirably under very demanding circumstances.
Hey @Foxtrot08 do you have some wisdom to share with this gent re: racing oils in street use? He’s willing to trust some unknown wanker on the help line who may or may not know a thing about real world applications and requirements. Maybe some input from an experienced chap like yourself can help his knowledge?
Hey @Foxtrot08 do you have some wisdom to share with this gent re: racing oils in street use? He’s willing to trust some unknown wanker on the help line who may or may not know a thing about real world applications and requirements. Maybe some input from an experienced chap like yourself can help his knowledge?
The counter was of course that 0W-40's are recommended for ATV's and snowmobiles which have the same or similar engines. Motorcycles aren't operated in temperatures where a 0W-xx makes sense.
Does a 0W-40 have higher VII content than a conventional 10W-30? In many instances no, you are making a strawman. I gave you some blending guide examples of this earlier in the thread. The appropriate counter is not "well, oils of the same quality" because there's no stipulation for a synthetic low VII content 10W-30 in that manual.
If this is an S2000, they also recommended a 5W-40, which in many cases will have the same VII content as a 0W-40.
Another strawman. The manual doesn't stipulate requirements for either of those grades to have little to no VII because there is no standard or approval laid-out in that manual. Per the blending guide examples I showed you, both typically have considerable VII content.
The oil that's formally approved for that usage profile? A40 for example, has a Nurburgring lapping test as part of it.
Clearly they do if the oil passes the testing requirements and is able to obtain the approval.
Your question has been answered, many different ways, using many different examples, you just don't like the answer.
If 0W-40 was deficient by design it wouldn’t be the factory fill for Porsches and C8 Corvettes. It’s a dual purpose oil.
Thanks for your Patience and Time.
If you look at an oil like the popular 0W40 from M1, I saw more of a viscosity drop over an interval in my car than any other oil I've run. As I understand it and of course...can be wrong...that's due in-part to shearing down related to the VIIs necessary to get that spread. HPL makes a new no VII line but you won't see a 0W40, 5W30 Euro is the closest thing. Also, I run the HPL 5W40 Euro and the VIIs according to them are the highest quality "Star" type and resist that shearing more than others used. So far, my viscosity drops have been more reasonable using this.
