High Performance Lubricants No VII series engine oils.

[Deleted member 89374]

Exactly. So there’s no $25 flat shipping rate, that I can see.

Take a look bellow. It's a 12 quart case. Above that, the flat rate no longer applies.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Just so everyone’s aware, there’s no shipping cost if you order a bunch while you’re at the @High Performance Lubricants Open House coming up (warehouse pickup, of course!)….

 

[Deleted member 89374]

Just so everyone’s aware, there’s no shipping cost if you order a bunch while you’re at the @High Performance Lubricants Open House coming up (warehouse pickup, of course!)….

@High Performance Lubricants could cancel the 15% off coupon and offer "free shipping". I bet the phycological impact would be priceless. I mean, everyone else does the same thing: they pad the shipping cost in the price of the product. HPL doesn't do that. So, there is that...

 

[asinger]

It's a 12 quart case. Above that, the flat rate no longer applies.

Bingo, thank you. I’ll keep in mind it applies up to a 12 qt case for future buys.

Didn’t make much of a difference in my case, so i‘m not missing out on a better rate. If I split out the 6 qt case + fire arm kit it would have been been $25 flat for that part—about the same for me.

If you live further out, there are edge cases where it would be cheaper for you to split an order of multiple cases into several flat rate orders.

I just wanted to understand the rule.

 

[Astro14]

Bingo, thank you. I’ll keep in mind it applies up to a 12 qt case for future buys.

Didn’t make much of a difference in my case, so i‘m not missing out on a better rate. If I split out the 6 qt case + fire arm kit it would have been been $25 flat for that part—about the same for me.

If you live further out, there are edge cases where it would be cheaper for you to split an order of multiple cases into several flat rate orders.

I just wanted to understand the rule.

Speculation on an Internet forum is not understanding. Pick up the phone.

Call and ask.

 

[asinger]

Speculation on an Internet forum is not understanding. Pick up the phone.

Call and ask.

It is speculation that I didn’t ask

I DM‘d David twice last week (only 1 of those was about the shipping question). I figured he was busy, so then I emailed sales today.

Finally, I asked here, because I figured someone might know off-hand and I would prefer an answer before my order was shipped.

Sales just got back to me, confirming what @Rod Knock said. FedEx $25 one rate applies up to a certain box size. They also offered consolidate my order into 2 boxes so I’d get the flat rate on one of them. I declined, as I don’t want to give them an extra hassle to save $4.

 

[Deleted member 89374]

I DM‘d David twice last week (only 1 of those was about the shipping question).

Let's just put it this way: I don't think he has time to get a good night's rest. And I'm being generous with my assessment.

Sales just got back to me, confirming what @Rod Knock said. FedEx $25 one rate applies up to a certain box size. They also offered consolidate my order into 2 boxes so I’d get the flat rate on one of them. I declined, as I don’t want to give them an extra hassle to save $4.

Here is the deal with @High Performance Lubricants: they are an industrial company. Their specialty is manufacturing industrial grade products for various industries, including the food industry. That means that their level of cleanliness, high-precision, and quality control, are above and beyond that of the typical boutique blenders. Which also means that they are not, in fact, a boutique blender.

All of the above means that they don't make compromises when it comes to blending lubricants. When you're dealing with the heavy industry, you can't make any compromises. You either make your products to meet certain standards, or you don't at all. Mr. David Ward and his team have brought this line of thinking to their consumer products as well. The results are excellent lubricants. The downside is that they are very expensive to produce.

I doubt that HPL consumer lubricants will ever become a mass market success due to how expensive they are. However, I'd say that we are fortunate to get them. I know times are though for everyone, myself included. However, their products are worth the price, especially since you can actually cut down on the number of oil changes you do per year, in most instances. Also, you're not really paying a premium for HPL products, but merely a little bit above the cost of materials. Not to mention that HPL sells unique products such as motor oils without Viscosity Improvers (NO-VII line), and the Super Car 0W-20 "OVERKILL". No one else makes these products.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Let's just put it this way: I don't think he has time to get a good night's rest. And I'm being generous with my assessment.


Here is the deal with @High Performance Lubricants: they are an industrial company. Their specialty is manufacturing industrial grade products for various industries, including the food industry. That means that their level of cleanliness, high-precision, and quality control, are above and beyond that of the typical boutique blenders. Which also means that they are not, in fact, a boutique blender.

All of the above means that they don't make compromises when it comes to blending lubricants. When you're dealing with the heavy industry, you can't make any compromises. You either make your products to meet certain standards, or you don't at all. Mr. David Ward and his team have brought this line of thinking to their consumer products as well. The results are excellent lubricants. The downside is that they are very expensive to produce.

I doubt that HPL consumer lubricants will ever become a mass market success due to how expensive they are. However, I'd say that we are fortunate to get them. I know times are though for everyone, myself included. However, their products are worth the price, especially since you can actually cut down on the number of oil changes you do per year, in most instances. Also, you're not really paying a premium for HPL products, but merely a little bit above the cost of materials. Not to mention that HPL sells unique products such as motor oils without Viscosity Improvers (NO-VII line), and the Super Car 0W-20 "OVERKILL". No one else makes these products.

There’s an industrial product that HPL has crafted for the company I work for. It’s a specialty lubricant. Currently used product requires ~12 applications per day; the product Dave & his team crafted for us is averaging one application every THREE days. Even though it’s somewhat more expensive on paper, it definitely will be more economical over time. Now, to convince the bean-counters…

Fun rumor: supposedly HPL tested the product in their own facility as part of the development process, and it worked so well that they now use it to benefit their process too

 

[asinger]

Let's just put it this way: I don't think he has time to get a good night's rest. And I'm being generous with my assessment.


Here is the deal with @High Performance Lubricants: they are an industrial company. Their specialty is manufacturing industrial grade products for various industries, including the food industry. That means that their level of cleanliness, high-precision, and quality control, are above and beyond that of the typical boutique blenders. Which also means that they are not, in fact, a boutique blender.

All of the above means that they don't make compromises when it comes to blending lubricants. When you're dealing with the heavy industry, you can't make any compromises. You either make your products to meet certain standards, or you don't at all. Mr. David Ward and his team have brought this line of thinking to their consumer products as well. The results are excellent lubricants. The downside is that they are very expensive to produce.

I doubt that HPL consumer lubricants will ever become a mass market success due to how expensive they are. However, I'd say that we are fortunate to get them. I know times are though for everyone, myself included. However, their products are worth the price, especially since you can actually cut down on the number of oil changes you do per year, in most instances. Also, you're not really paying a premium for HPL products, but merely a little bit above the cost of materials. Not to mention that HPL sells unique products such as motor oils without Viscosity Improvers (NO-VII line), and the Super Car 0W-20 "OVERKILL". No one else makes these products.

Excellent. If it didn’t come across as I intended, I’m happy with my experience and I’m excited to try the NO-VII line. I’ve read some about HPL’s background before buying thanks to helpful posts like yours. I don’t have any problem with HPL’s oil or shipping prices.

Yes, I figured David is super busy and it’s amazing the CEO is as responsive as he is from what I’ve seen here.

Anyway, thanks again for your help.

 

[hemioiler]

I did an oil change last Thursday. I switched from HPL PP PCMO 0w-30, to HPL No VII 5w-30.

Unfortunately I noticed an immediate difference in cold start engine noise, and not for the better.

I've always heard a slight knock in my engine on a cold start, I don't think it's lifter tick, to me it sounds more like piston slap. It's only when cold and goes away when the engine is hot. The reason I switched to PP PCMO in the first place was just due to its excellent cold start properties and I was hoping it might help in that area. It didn't, but it didn't make things worse either, there was just no change. The reason why I don't think it's lifter tick is both due to the sound itself (it's more of a knock than a tick) and because the hemi lifter tick usually happens on a hot idle and not a cold idle; lifter tick can also get confused with leaky manifolds and this sound I'm hearing sounds nothing like an exhaust leak.

But after my oil change last week this same sound has really become more present. Both in volume and how often I hear it. Before I would hear the knock once every 1.5 seconds or so, and it fade in and out with almost on a cycle, it was more intermittent. Now sometimes when it does it it's like its always there, and the sound is more loud and constant as well.

I'm very confused to be honest. I was under the impression the no-vii was a better oil.

Just wondering if somebody has some theories or explanations as to why this is happening. I will try to capture a youtube recording of the sound.

 

[Deleted member 89374]

I did an oil change last Thursday. I switched from HPL PP PCMO 0w-30, to HPL No VII 5w-30.

Unfortunately I noticed an immediate difference in cold start engine noise, and not for the better.

I've always heard a slight knock in my engine on a cold start, I don't think it's lifter tick, to me it sounds more like piston slap. It's only when cold and goes away when the engine is hot. The reason I switched to PP PCMO in the first place was just due to its excellent cold start properties and I was hoping it might help in that area. It didn't, but it didn't make things worse either, there was just no change. The reason why I don't think it's lifter tick is both due to the sound itself (it's more of a knock than a tick) and because the hemi lifter tick usually happens on a hot idle and not a cold idle; lifter tick can also get confused with leaky manifolds and this sound I'm hearing sounds nothing like an exhaust leak.

But after my oil change last week this same sound has really become more present. Both in volume and how often I hear it. Before I would hear the knock once every 1.5 seconds or so, and it fade in and out with almost on a cycle, it was more intermittent. Now sometimes when it does it it's like its always there, and the sound is more loud and constant as well.

I'm very confused to be honest. I was under the impression the no-vii was a better oil.

Just wondering if somebody has some theories or explanations as to why this is happening. I will try to capture a youtube recording of the sound.

Sounds like an oil filter issue, probably a bad ADBV. What oil filter did you use? Changing the filter will most likely fix your problem.

 

[OVERKILL]

I did an oil change last Thursday. I switched from HPL PP PCMO 0w-30, to HPL No VII 5w-30.

Unfortunately I noticed an immediate difference in cold start engine noise, and not for the better.

I've always heard a slight knock in my engine on a cold start, I don't think it's lifter tick, to me it sounds more like piston slap. It's only when cold and goes away when the engine is hot. The reason I switched to PP PCMO in the first place was just due to its excellent cold start properties and I was hoping it might help in that area. It didn't, but it didn't make things worse either, there was just no change. The reason why I don't think it's lifter tick is both due to the sound itself (it's more of a knock than a tick) and because the hemi lifter tick usually happens on a hot idle and not a cold idle; lifter tick can also get confused with leaky manifolds and this sound I'm hearing sounds nothing like an exhaust leak.

But after my oil change last week this same sound has really become more present. Both in volume and how often I hear it. Before I would hear the knock once every 1.5 seconds or so, and it fade in and out with almost on a cycle, it was more intermittent. Now sometimes when it does it it's like its always there, and the sound is more loud and constant as well.

I'm very confused to be honest. I was under the impression the no-vii was a better oil.

Just wondering if somebody has some theories or explanations as to why this is happening. I will try to capture a youtube recording of the sound.

As I assume you know, no oil is going to "solve" piston slap if that's what you are experiencing. A thinner oil on start might end up with more of it on the walls due to more spray coming off the rod/crank interface, which could improve acoustics, but impact on wear is likely nil.

And yes, if it's there when cold, and goes away as the engine gets hot, that's piston slap or a leaking exhaust manifold.

 

[Furious]

I did an oil change last Thursday. I switched from HPL PP PCMO 0w-30, to HPL No VII 5w-30.

Unfortunately I noticed an immediate difference in cold start engine noise, and not for the better.

I've always heard a slight knock in my engine on a cold start, I don't think it's lifter tick, to me it sounds more like piston slap. It's only when cold and goes away when the engine is hot. The reason I switched to PP PCMO in the first place was just due to its excellent cold start properties and I was hoping it might help in that area. It didn't, but it didn't make things worse either, there was just no change. The reason why I don't think it's lifter tick is both due to the sound itself (it's more of a knock than a tick) and because the hemi lifter tick usually happens on a hot idle and not a cold idle; lifter tick can also get confused with leaky manifolds and this sound I'm hearing sounds nothing like an exhaust leak.

But after my oil change last week this same sound has really become more present. Both in volume and how often I hear it. Before I would hear the knock once every 1.5 seconds or so, and it fade in and out with almost on a cycle, it was more intermittent. Now sometimes when it does it it's like its always there, and the sound is more loud and constant as well.

I'm very confused to be honest. I was under the impression the no-vii was a better oil.

Just wondering if somebody has some theories or explanations as to why this is happening. I will try to capture a youtube recording of the sound.

Change the oil filter out with the same exact brand/filter as you had previously and see if it goes back to normal for you or if it remains. If it remains I would switch back to what you were using previously or maybe try some Valvoline or Quakerstate.

 

[hemioiler]

Oddly enough it's been pretty quiet lately, even on cold starts? I will keep an eye on it and change the filter if it happens again.

I don't think it's a filter issue though. I know what drain down clatter sounds like, I get that once in the blue moon when my truck is shut down too quickly and I do another cold start after that. That's a totally different clatter and it goes away instantly after 2 to 3 seconds (like a switch is flicked), what I'm hearing here is more of a low end knock and it gradually goes away as the engine heats up over a few minutes.

I'm pretty sure my oil PSI has gone up a bit though. Sometimes it's even hovering around 48 while idling and it use to hover around 41 to 42. I'd say on average it might be 3 to 4 psi higher all around until it heats up where it then pretty much matches the previous oil changes; 50-ish while driving hot, 41-ish while idling hot.

 

[TiGeo]

The sad thing is that some BITOGers are going to use these fantastic new products, and yet still OCI every 5k miles .... because it's "cheap insurance".

 

[hemioiler]

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I do it twice a year which is about 7500 intervals. The reason being, I change my oil on my back on the driveway, and so I want to avoid having to change oil in the winter time where we see snow for a few months and some pretty bitter January's/Februarys.

Once a year is not enough as that would be 15,000 on a truck that works pretty hard in the summer (lots of towing in the heat). Twice a year means I can change in May and October or thereabouts; right before towing season starts, and right after it ends.

Sometimes it's about convenience. And when you have an engine with a widely known and understood issue (some estimates are about 2 to 5 percent develop lifter failure), you don't take chances with that engine with dirty oil.

The other car in my family is done once a year, if I remember in time, and it just gets whatever the quick lube shop decides to throw in (though it is full synthetic).

 

[TiGeo]

I do it twice a year which is about 7500 intervals. The reason being, I change my oil on my back on the driveway, and so I want to avoid having to change oil in the winter time where we see snow for a few months and some pretty bitter January's/Februarys.

Once a year is not enough as that would be 15,000 on a truck that works pretty hard in the summer (lots of towing in the heat). Twice a year means I can change in May and October or thereabouts; right before towing season starts, and right after it ends.

Sometimes it's about convenience. And when you have an engine with a widely known and understood issue (some estimates are about 2 to 5 percent develop lifter failure), you don't take chances with that engine with dirty oil.

The other car in my family is done once a year, if I remember in time, and it just gets whatever the quick lube shop decides to throw in (though it is full synthetic).

I'm punking myself in that meme.....I do 5K even with HPL. Primarly b/c I'm at >2x stock power track my car sometimes...if I wasn't I'd do 10K on this.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

I'm punking myself in that meme.....I do 5K even with HPL. Primarly b/c I'm at >2x stock power track my car sometimes...if I wasn't I'd do 10K on this.

Im at roughly 13.9k on my 5w30 PCEO EcoBoost run. Changed the XG10575 @ 7200, topped off with around half a quart and an Endurance 10575. It’s got an ~400rwhp (not E30 tune) tune in it. Majority has been highway miles including a 4,000 mile, 80-85mph trip for spring break. I know it may be a little excessive but it will have good data!

 

[Deleted member 89374]

Im at roughly 13.9k on my 5w30 PCEO EcoBoost run. Changed the XG10575 @ 7200, topped off with around half a quart and an Endurance 10575. It’s got an ~400rwhp (not E30 tune) tune in it. Majority has been highway miles including a 4,000 mile, 80-85mph trip for spring break. I know it may be a little excessive but it will have good data!

Is that the Group III PCMO 5W-30? That's some good oil!

I'm running the PCMO 5W-40 in the Santa Fe 3.3L GDI.

 

[Thumper3]

I do it twice a year which is about 7500 intervals. The reason being, I change my oil on my back on the driveway, and so I want to avoid having to change oil in the winter time where we see snow for a few months and some pretty bitter January's/Februarys.

Once a year is not enough as that would be 15,000 on a truck that works pretty hard in the summer (lots of towing in the heat). Twice a year means I can change in May and October or thereabouts; right before towing season starts, and right after it ends.

I'm punking myself in that meme.....I do 5K even with HPL. Primarly b/c I'm at >2x stock power track my car sometimes...if I wasn't I'd do 10K on this.

Exactly, I always love it when people advise an OCI without any knowledge of HOW the vehicle is used and lecture on "waste". Every manual where they specify an OCI comes with a long list of conditions that if applicable (and they almost always are) changes the recommendation.

The Golf R is running 27psi boost and is heavily tracked. Dream on that I'm running that oil 10k.
The Touareg regularly tows 6k lbs, in 90F+ temps with high humidity in hilly farm country with tons of dirt in the air. It's nearly irreplaceable at this point, so yeah it IS cheap insurance lol Driving conditions and environmental issues are not static, how the last fill of oil stood up is no guarantee how the next one will. Much rather drain oil that may have had a couple thousand left on it then to drain it and find oh darn it was used to the last mile or more.