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High Performance Lubricants Euro oils...whose going to try it?
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Zee09
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The Euro adjective?
Nearly all those oils are made from imported and USA sourced materials. Look on the back of the bottle. You are getting a "world" oil.
Approvals baby...approvals.
I believe $17
How did I cherry pick? You did that by listing three parameters, I just chose the first one, which you also happened to have capitalized.
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Not "cookie cutter" so won't get approved. Those are the exact words Triax used, but they were flogged for it on here.
"Too small to pay for testing." The Mercedes Bevo listings have many tiny oil companies. Triax, Redline, and Schaeffer's were all flogged for people stating that too! Two way street sees traffic 24/7.
"Too small to pay for testing." The Mercedes Bevo listings have many tiny oil companies. Triax, Redline, and Schaeffer's were all flogged for people stating that too! Two way street sees traffic 24/7.
If any of those companies would like to come to the board and be as professional and forthcoming with information as HPL has been, I'm sure we would collectively change our tune.
On Triax's own data sheet, their Euro 5W-30 oils do not even meet the minimum required HTHS and they list SA as .8 which is too high for at least one of the specifications they recommend the oil for.
And I do not think Schaeffer's ever gets "flogged" here on the board.
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Everybody and everything gets flogged on here except @AutoMechanic
That kid had a rough go of it here at first. Glad he stuck around.
Maybe Triax should send a rep to take some licks and learn as well?
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Yeah that is true....
Triax says their 0w30 is not approved for pickup trucks..lol but true.
Nobody and I mean nobody provides data. Is there a database showing how every oil performed at every test sequence for a specific certification? Answer: Nope. Is there any data showing how differences in test results, assuming all meet the min, are reflected in the operational life of an engine? Answer: Nope.
So I have to ask, what data would you want to see?
The lack of data is why things such as certs are important because certs indicate the product meets the minimum requirements which are important to the automaker.
There's no doubt that HPL is probably a very good oil judging by spec's and comments regarding the formulation. It's probably along the same lines as Biosyn from way back.
This is important statement. It is when you choose to depart from something that just meets the minimum that there are no longer specifications. It then comes down to the knowledge, skill, and integrity of the blender. The test of time will tell set the good ones apart from the types of people that minimum standards are designed to isolate.
I always read "meets or exceeds" to mean just that - this oil could meet the XYZ approval so in my case VW502 00 but exceeds it. I suppose some get hung on that however and don't trust that it would in fact meet it. The Molygen I have in there now is the same - "also recommended for".
My issue is that I, as a consumer, don't know what "exceeds" equates to. It seems most people equate "exceeds" to "better than" or "higher standards" or whatever. I know some boutique oils would have really high levels of additives and it left me wondering if "exceeds" was actually a bad thing as in "too much".
This is a valid point. The difference would be the validation that goes on to get there. Maintaining the balance in a formula is the key to good results. This is the same reason aftermarket oil additives in many cases can upset the balance in a formulated oil.
So 1 qt Molygen out, 1 qt HPL Engine Cleaner in. Went out and beat on it a little. Will let it go 1-2K miles then change out for the HPL 5W40 Euro I now have 6 qts of. That should be in Feb to be ready for a track weekend in March; I'll pull a sample after for UOA. Curious how it will look!
Yep. Schaeffer Oil gives more relevant test data on their oils than just about every other oil marketer combined. Does it help you choose an oil? Probably not, since no one else provides anything at all.
Too, as you said, what does "exceeds" mean? Does it mean, for example, that the max limit in a certain test being compared was 10, and the oil being sold scored a 9.4? A 6? A 2.7?
Regardless the score, is the difference between that and the max significant? What does the score difference translate to in reality in your engine or transmission or drive axle or hydrostat?
What if the oil being sold compares itself to a competitor, and says it yields "40% lower wear on the XX test?" What does that mean? I guaran-steenkeeng-tee that's a relative improvement percentage, NOT an absolute improvement percentage. Is that 40% statistically significant? What does that translate to in absolute terms, 0.05%?
Certifications certainly encourage marketers to cluster their fluids right close to the standard limits, rather than significantly outperform them, but then again: What is the _absolute_ difference between them all? What is the _absolute_ difference between a non-certified fluid that claims to be 'way better' than what the standard requires, and a fluid that simply follows the recipe one of the euro manufacturers supplies?
