Does the 0w20 contain the dye used in VW 508 oils, or is that only allowed in oils with formal VW 508 approval?
High Performance Lubricants Euro oils...whose going to try it?
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For out 508 version We do use the DI pack which is made for 508. We do not dye it blue since it is not a cookie cutter formulation. It is made with better base oils than called out in the spec.
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Same reason why Castrol seems to be the oil of choice amongst premium Asian import shops.
I think it is just advertising and perception.
In situations like this where there is no data or industry standard testing done, it's a matter of having faith in that blender. There is no getting around that. However, with that said, I have full faith that HPL and some other boutique brands do exceed off the shelf oils in many areas. You often do get what you pay for. It's a matter of faith and there really isn't much more you can say about it.
HPL is a top-notch blender and I'd feel completely confident using their oils.
HPL is a top-notch blender and I'd feel completely confident using their oils.
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True statement. We certainly know where we are with our own products and have also looked at other main line and boutique oils enough to validate your thoughts. There are a lot of good choices currently.
Don't know anything about Walmart, don't shop there, I did not say that they are better, only that if the buyer
want to be sure to get an oil made for euro specs to buy one made in Europe, if M1 is made there for euro diving it ought to be just as good.
What I don't trust is oils made here with the Euro adjective, they may meet euro standards or not, I don't think any of us here is in a position to ascertain that.
I have a Mercedes E-350 which specs MB 229.5 and Mobil 1 0w40 meets that spec. I've used Castrol and Pennzoil also that met the spec. Mobil is the oil partner for Mercedes in the US and makes the oil they sell at the dealership.
Keep in mind that the oil in this topic is just recommended and not MB approved. My normal stance on that is that it either doesn't meet the spec or they're just too cheap to pay for certification. My stance is why would I pay more for more unknowns? Doesn't any one believe in trust but verify anymore?
There's been long threads about Belgium Castrol which was sold at Walmart. They basically have the euro specs on the bottle.
Walmart has been trying to compete with Amazon for a while in the mail order space. You can easily order two jugs of Mobil 1 from Walmart and get free shipping and you don't have to join any club unlike Amazon. Basically Walmart is the largest retailer in the US by far and their volume gives them a lot of pricing power.
This is completely false. If it has the European certifications then where it’s made has no bearing.
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You are sooo off the line that you cannot see it anymore.
What we call “Euro” oils are mostly approved oils. Oils such as Mobil1 0W40, Castrol 0W40 etc. carry approvals. It doesn’t matter where are they selling them or where are they made, approval is approval!
Mobil1 0W40 is made here. Castrol Edge 0W40 is made in Germany or Belgium, depends. They both carry SAME approvals!
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In your posts I see a lot of trusting (in specs on bottles where $$$ was exchanged), but very little verifying.
We know for a fact that pretty much any Mobil 1 formulation is not the absolute best at doing the job of lubricating, cooling, and protecting the engine. This is because of their business model. We also know it does a pretty **** good job of the aforementioned. Using your method of thinking and purchasing, nobody would ever even discover if there were better formulations out there, especially from smaller companies that can't justify paying Mercedes to certify their formula. Which I'm sure is not 'cheap', to use your word.
Settle for 'good enough' if that's what you're into and the characters on the bottle give you peace of mind. Some of us want more and we're willing to take a little risk (not a very big one given the data I've seen on HPL so far IMHO) in pursuit of it.
Some of us also don't see vehicles as cost per dollar tools, but as extensions of ourselves and things we use for both work and play, so the dollar amount is not the biggest factor in the answer to the question of "is it worth it?".
Too cheap is simply not fair to these guys.
They‘re small. They are just breaking into passenger car oils. They use much better additive ingredients and better base stocks than Mobil 1. Large part of why they cost more.
You’re not paying more for unknowns, you’re paying more for a better product.
But if certifications are required in your case, to meet warranty or personal preference, then stick with certifications.
I’ve seen their work. I’ve seen their numbers, look at the HTHS, look at the pour point, they simply make it better. I’m in favor of their approach. But they’re not big enough to get certifications. Not yet.
But analysis of their products in actual use demonstrates the performance of their products.
The difference here is we're not talking about Supertech or STP or Fram oils blended to a price point.
We're taking about a premium oil from a legitimate blender formulated to be better, not cheaper.
As I mentioned many times, lots of claims that it's better. But what does that actually mean? Let's see the data.
I guess we're trusting the manufacturer to verify that the products that they've issued approvals to actually continue to meet those approvals. That would probably be some contract violation if it doesn't. When you just recommended something and don't have any approval, there's no involvement with the manufacturer at all.
The question is do we actually need better formulations? And yes, it requires a certain amount of capital to break into the market, there's no requirement that any of them succeed. And it'd be nice to see some kind of data that shows it's better in the real world. And what does better really mean? Better in all parameters or better in some worse in others? No data, can't really say.
I certainly plan on using the 0w-30 in the Giulia. Compared to the other 0w-30s I do (or would) use, the price spread isn’t even that great.
@High Performance Lubricants , I am curious, do you have the ability to get the tech data on Fiat 9.55535-GS1 or MS-13340? These two specs are nearly impossible to find in 0w-30 and there’s no information available online that I’m able to find. Stellantis has been mute on providing any info.
@High Performance Lubricants , I am curious, do you have the ability to get the tech data on Fiat 9.55535-GS1 or MS-13340? These two specs are nearly impossible to find in 0w-30 and there’s no information available online that I’m able to find. Stellantis has been mute on providing any info.
I will see what I can do
How about viscosity stability over a longer hard driven OCI ?
This stuff stays in grade.
Per personal knowledge.
Would be nice to hear these types of accolades for a certain other boutique brand that's discussed frequently on this board. Also, does ht/hs really speak to an oil's quality?
A good HTHS, with a very low pour point, excellent TEOST and other test results, in combination, absolutely speak to an oil’s quality. Don’t cherry pick one test result and ask your question, look at them all together, in context, and your question is answered.
I don’t know to which “other” brand you’re referring, but I haven’t bought their oil, run their oil in my car, seen the impressive results of other forum members using that product, seen their lab, seen their production facility, or talked with their owner about formulation and testing, so, I cannot speak to their quality.
Maybe that “other“ brand should open their door to you, show you what they’re doing. Show you their detailed results.
