It sounds like using these oils that meet the spec isnt meeting much of anything at all. I'm sure Wayne's engine is fairly clean but like it was once said most oils used are commodity therefore the best and brightest ingredients and material weren't used. I'm thinking that my engine was cleaning up last time that I could probably run it for a 5000 mi duration maybe longer. I bought two quarts a while back and might start using a half a quart of the ec30 every 25,000 MI right before an oil change for a couple thousand miles.Sorry, I did not see this till now. The reason to change the filter more frequently is strictly related to removing the trash from a dirty system. We have no way of knowing for sure what is in that engine. Even in the case of Wayne’s Durango which was properly maintained there were deposits left behind by a “meets the spec” oil. Wayne also had good sample data. The thing to keep in mind is that a UOA DOES NOT tell you what the oil leaves behind. It only tells you what is circulating at the time the sample is taken. If you cut open your filters and find that they are clean you could easily run it out further.
Installed yesterday in OCI listed in the Post your latest oil change thread. Below is the QC check after driving about ten miles. I will also try to post pics after a few hundred mile intervals for posterity:Well, I guess I am a customer now. Picking up a new to me 2013 Lincoln MKZ this week. Normally I throw in Rislone HM Engine Treatment on a used purchase, but trying this. The only thing is not sure if I'm doing it this Fall or not, the dealer (a friend of mine) is changing the oil of course and I wanna see what I have first as a baseline. But I might change very early and throw this in for a 1000 mile OCI before the Winter change. We'll see.....
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It sounds like using these oils that meet the spec isnt meeting much of anything at all.
So this will be an oil color change over time type deal?Installed yesterday in OCI listed in the Post your latest oil change thread. Below is the QC check after driving about ten miles. I will also try to post pics after a few hundred mile intervals for posterity:
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We will see...So this will be an oil color change over time type deal?
Smell is important too.So this will be an oil color change over time type deal?
This was discussed at the HPL get-together. For me, it was a bit of a revelation when I learned that some oils fail their original certification test, and are permitted to retest multiple times until the oil passes. I forget who said it, but a question was posed to the group to the effect of why would you want an oil that only passes the test once out of three or four times (paraphrasing here).The issue is the bar is set rather low by API. Due to the way the testing is conducted, it rewards add packs and formulas that pass the minimum standard as cheap as possible with no incentive to do anything better than that. That applies to ACEA specs and OEM approvals as well, though they are stricter standards than API.
I view API cert as the "good enough degree" GED, and largely ignore it. If someone comes to me asking for a 5W-30 or 5W-40 recommendation, I tell them to find an ACEA A3/B4 oil at a minimum.
This was discussed at the HPL get-together. For me, it was a bit of a revelation when I learned that some oils fail their original certification test, and are permitted to retest multiple times until the oil passes. I forget who said it, but a question was posed to the group to the effect of why would you want an oil that only passes the test once out of three or four times (paraphrasing here).
If the differences in test results are within lab error, I don’t see an issue with this practice.Yep. They could send the same add pack and formula to 4 different places for testing. So long as 1 of them returns a pass, it's an approved add pack.
Thanks for clarifying the process ... it was a bit vague to me.Yep. They could send the same add pack and formula to 4 different places for testing. So long as 1 of them returns a pass, it's an approved add pack.
There are multiple tiers per product line. It's not as if all off the shelf oils are just formulating to meet bare minimum specs.The issue is the bar is set rather low by API. Due to the way the testing is conducted, it rewards add packs and formulas that pass the minimum standard as cheap as possible with no incentive to do anything better than that. That applies to ACEA specs and OEM approvals as well, though they are stricter standards than API.
I view API cert as the "good enough degree" GED, and largely ignore it. If someone comes to me asking for a 5W-30 or 5W-40 recommendation, I tell them to find an ACEA A3/B4 oil at a minimum.
Used it for years. It did quiet some hydraulic lifters for me, improved oil pressure on couple engines (or maybe simply helped the oil pressure sensor give more accurate readings, idk), quiet some valvetrains. But with all this in mind - I have never experienced results and cleaning from it that is similar to what so many people post here about their results with HPL EC.I use this even in a low mileage engine : https://rislone.com/products/high-mileage-engine-treatment/ . I use it every other oil change in well-maintained engines - I believe it especially helps with valves .
There are multiple tiers per product line. It's not as if all off the shelf oils are just formulating to meet bare minimum specs.
Every major brand has 2-3 tiers. The top tier oils from the majors exceed by a wide margin the IVA, IIH, Seq X test etc.
Very few boutique brands can exceed what the top tier major formulations offer. The only boutique brands I find impressive are HPL and Amsoil. The rest are kind of a joke. Maxima? Royal Purple? Not impressed. Redline is OK but UOA's show it has some major formulation weaknesses. Not even impressed with Driven. Marketing and fancy bottles just like the detailing world. They hook people in with it and it's perceived they are better when in reality they are generally not. Amsoil at least demonstrates performance through testing against industry standard tests. I give them credit for that.
After about 215 miles:Installed yesterday in OCI listed in the Post your latest oil change thread. Below is the QC check after driving about ten miles. I will also try to post pics after a few hundred mile intervals for posterity:
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At 600 miles at temp:After about 215 miles:
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