Here we go again...DST

So for those who are "bothered" by it.... you're telling me you don't stay up to 12 on New Years Eve, never get up an hour early to catch a flight, never get up 1+ hour early to leave for vacation etc?

I suggest that most people who are bothered by it are bothered by the idea more than anything else (i.e. it doesn't affect their body in any meaningful way).

Especially with time and alarms set on smart phones etc, the only way I've noticed time change 2 times a year in the last 2 decades is because people constantly complain about it, my phone just does its thing with the time automatically and that's that.
 
Split the difference and leave it there. IOW tomorrow jump forward 30 minutes and then leave it, or jump one hour, then jump back 30 minutes in the fall and leave it. That would really mess people up.

Changing is really silly in 2023.

My fancy digital clock thought last Sunday was DST change. Ugg, but OK tomorrow.
 
My fancy digital clock thought last Sunday was DST change. Ugg, but OK tomorrow.
Mine did this too. Woke me up an hour early on Monday morning, 4:30am instead of 5:30. I was pretty PO.

It is normally self setting when you plug it in, but I corrected it manually and it was fine for Tues-Fri, it but did it again this morning for reasons unknown to me. Woke me up an hour earlier than it should have. I told my wife to throw the **** thing away I was so mad, but it's still sitting here and tomorrow it'll be just fine.
 
Mine did this too. Woke me up an hour early on Monday morning, 4:30am instead of 5:30. I was pretty PO.

It is normally self setting when you plug it in, but I corrected it manually and it was fine for Tues-Fri, it but did it again this morning for reasons unknown to me. Woke me up an hour earlier than it should have. I told my wife to throw the **** thing away I was so mad, but it's still sitting here and tomorrow it'll be just fine.
Mine my large digital on my shop wall. Gave me a chuckle more than anything.

I am not now or ever been - bugged PHYSICALLY by the 1 hour time change.
 
DST or the biLastest US survey 65% of the people don't want DST.
American Medical Association have said it's bad for our health.
National Safety Council said it does cause an increase accidents.
But, hey we've been doing it for a long time so why change?
Do you mean DST or the bi-annual time changes?
 
Ah, summer time - to go with the warm weather, long evening walks on the beach, and patio dinners. Oh wait, something's not right. Has anybody seen my thermal underwear?
 
You mean to tell me traveling one time zone east or west is major drama for you? Keeping standard time will create daylight at 4am in the summer with dark at 8pm. Perma DST will have us not seeing light in the morning in winter until 9am.
 
You mean to tell me traveling one time zone east or west is major drama for you? Keeping standard time will create daylight at 4am in the summer with dark at 8pm. Perma DST will have us not seeing light in the morning in winter until 9am.

Exactly. Time change is about keeping the sun in the middle of our day.

I suspect many will regret the change once/if it finally happens but by then we won't be going back.

Think carefully what you guys are wishing for.
 
I set my clocks ahead the night before, and go to bed early. Then I wake up on time.

I have several solar quartz wrist watches. I keep some on standard time, others on daylight time. Then, I just change watches.
 
Pick one, split the difference, I don’t care just pick one of those 2 options and stick with it.

“The sun doesn’t come up till real late in the winter or sets early in the summer!” Boo hoo, I’ve worked what is effectively 2nd and 3rd shift combined into one shift for 9 years now and it seems no one other than fellow 3rd shifters have any respect whatsoever for it and I have zero sympathy for the poor day walkers who will miss out on an hour of daylight. Yes, I’m jaded.
 
Put it 30 minutes in the middle and leave it alone. It is bad for humans to be changing the time. That's proven. Pick a time and leave it alone. Whoever likes the chosen time, great. Whoever doesn't like the chosen time, tough. 30 minutes to the middle compromises for everyone. Just leave it alone whatever it is.
 
The Eastern time zone is too large, it extends west too far. Ohio and Michigan belong in Central, not Eastern. Way back when, they wanted to be in the same time zone as New York City. Then they complain their kids have to go to school in winter in the dark.

And northern New England might do better if it were in the Atlantic time zone, like eastern Canada.
 
Here's a map of the time zones https://www.time-zones-map.com/
NOTE - I don't think this map is hyper accurate by any means, but it's a general picture of the overal nature of the issue


Regarding DST, here's a list of talking points in no particular order ...

- I've heard excuses that claim "it's about the children" ... regarding kids having to get up too "early"for school ... as if that would matter to any sleepy-headed teenager??? I've recently seen a study that suggests kids should not start school until 10am. Are we supposed to center our world around kids would prefer to sleep until noon???

- DST was a great boon to the family farmer many decades ago who also worked a "day job" elsewhere. He (she) had more daylight upon returning home each evening. It helps if you have to get crops in the ground or harvested, but the small family farmer is a dying bread ... so this benefit is negligible for most of us

- time zones are anywhere from 600 to 1000 linear miles wide depending upon latitude for most of North America. Alaska and northern Canada can have some really small zones in terms of linear distance as they get nearer to the pole, obviously. As a generalization, in mid-North America it's around 800 miles (give or take due to local adherence). The time zone distance near Hawaii is large in linear distance, but the perception means little relative to the ocean around it.

- Depending on where you live, there can be some really big variances between cities in the same time zone ... Where I live (IN), it's about 650 miles to the DC area where my sister lives. However, if you consider that Maine is also in the Eastern zone, it would be approximately 1000 miles from the western part of IN to the eastern part of Maine, with a HUGE number of cities in between. Hence, it's always going to see "early" or "late' relative to some city significantly far away, even when in the same time zone ... The sun will come "up" a LOT eariler in east Maine relative to west Indiana

- Smaller easter States won't have as much " perceived differential" between them, whereas many other states actually have a time zone split them (ND, SD, TX, NE, KS, IN, TN, KY, etc).

- you can't really accurately say that a time zone it "too big" or "too small"; it's based on the division of the linear latitude of your area. If you move a line near your area, you distort the line elsewhere.

- Some local areas would prefer to be tied to a different zone merely because of local business conveniences (north-western IN for example runs on Central time due to proximity to Chicago, whereas most of the rest of IN is in Eastern. However, Evansville, IN is also in Central time)

- because of the wide nature of a time zone, you cannot really move it 1/2 hour forward or backward and think that would split the difference; it would not solve any problem relative to any city far away in the same zone. It's not fair to make your problem disapper only to exascerbate the problem for someone elsewhere

- some States already don't observe DST and they get along just fine without it.

- some people have suggested that we should adjust the clock each month, rather than twice a year. The concept would make for more gradual changes, but then again, most folks can't remember where they left their car keys ... And talk about a business nightmare !!! This makes sense for the human body, but is not at all practical for application in the real world.


What I know for sure is that the sun does not magically heave forward and then later do a brake-check, twice a year. The changes are obviously gradual, day to day. But advancing and retarding our chronological devices makes no sense to me. Pushing or pulling on the clock twice a year does not solve any problems; it only trades some problems for other problems.

As your mommy used to say ... if your friends jumped off a cliff, would you do it too? DST is only "normal" because most of your neighbors do it. But that doesn't make it right; it only makes it common.

My opinion is that we should pick one position or the other and stay there.
END clock abuse NOW !!!
 
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