Help Pick Oil for New SUV
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same. i like how every toyota that i've owned says in the manual that if used in higher speeds or under load that you can use a higher viscosity. for my new 2021 4Runner, i dumped the factory fill when i brought her home from the dealer with only 76 miles on the odo and went with 10W-30.
I would probably just use AFE. Compared to TGMO it will shear less and half these vehicles will have TGMO for life.
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I believe you're right about that. TGMO is supposed to start with a lighter base stock and therefore needs more (shear-prone) VIs.
Viscosity index on TGMO is like 220 or something crazy
Mobil1 ESP 0W30 or 5W30.
Good luck finding Mobil 1 ESP. The same oil has been re-branded Mobil 1 Euro now.
Hmm, found one few weeks back, changed it in Atlas.
Current pds is from 2023 and still lists it as ESP:
Mobil 1™ ESP 0W-30| Mobil™ Motor Oils
Discover how Mobil 1™ ESP 0W-30 advanced synthetic motor oil can prolong the efficiency of emission systems in diesel and gasoline powered automobiles.
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So, basically C2/C3, vw504/507, mb229.52 oils while ESP 5W-30 is only C3 and not 229.52.
ESP 5W30 is VW504.00/507.00, MB229.51. Not sure about .52. That is MB LSPI test.
ESP 5W30 would be my choice. Lower Noack (7.1%), probably bit higher HTHS.
Esp is available at autozone and the 0w30 at walmart and oreillys
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ESP in 5w-30 is an excellent oil, no arguing there. Difference in NOACK is only about 2% so it's almost meaningless, 7% vs 9%.
Oil availability and price difference would play bigger role, imho.
I just bought 2x 5l jugs of QS LX on 45% off sale, never saw M1 price competitive in past year, at local stores.
Oil availability and price difference would play bigger role, imho.
I just bought 2x 5l jugs of QS LX on 45% off sale, never saw M1 price competitive in past year, at local stores.
Yes it says heavier oil suitable high speeds & heavy load conditions.
I fail to mention this is my daughters car. She wants to use Toyota dealer ( not my choice). They us bulk Valvoline Advance 0w-20 as best I can find out. If it were mind & I could still change oil I maybe would us Mobil one esp 0w-20 or 0w-30 esp. What you guys thoughts on bulk Valvoline advance 0w-20?
Owner’s manual states ILSAC 6 0w-20. Heavier grade ok high speeds & heavier loads,
Put a 30 grade in it. Just about everyone qualifies under Toyotas severe requirements and that's no mistake.
All the suggestions so far are good with the ESP M1 being your top among the readily available brands. You could consider the new M1 AFE 0w30 as well, which has been reformulated recently based on new PDS. AFE 0w30 was not a favorite of mine as it would drop into a 20 grade quickly. Castrol Edge gets overlooked a lot but we've had some Castrol reps on the forum confirm the benefits of their startup wear protection through the use of their proprietary chemistry. Going further Amsoil 0w30 or HPL. Being it's a Toyota it likely won't make a difference at all.
The severe service requirement makes the OCI 5,000 miles, not oil grade change
Just use it.
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