Pattern A vs pattern B LDL cholesterol is an important classification and doctors don't test for it.
Healthy eating....or so we thought....
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And it’s not some innocent short term mistake from .gov on down. An entire nation’s diet recommendations were/are based on this erroneous notion. And the protocol remains.
Docs put put me on three drugs for now what look like borderline conditions 5+ years ago. All three medicines jacked my A1C up, and in reality making my conditions worse. I stopped the drugs and became metabolically a lot more healthy. The doctor didn't know those medicines would/could raise A1c in some people. The protocol system is broken!
Docs put put me on three drugs for now what look like borderline conditions 5+ years ago. All three medicines jacked my A1C up, and in reality making my conditions worse. I stopped the drugs and became metabolically a lot more healthy. The doctor didn't know those medicines would/could raise A1c in some people. The protocol system is broken!
Good on you for taking charge of your own health! It amazes me how few people have the wherewithal to manage their own bodies without “checking to make sure the doc says I should”!
I was placed on a migraine medication that worked well at first, but raised my resting heart rate from the mid 40s to over 100bpm over a 6 month span. I stopped that medication before my annual visit with my neuro and he was alarmed I dropped the medication without discussing it with him first. Tachycardia affects a LOT of other systems and I wasn’t willing to “wait for someone else” to tell me how to manage my own body.
It's not broken they are well aware they want you to be treated for life not curing no money in curing only treating.
There are fantastic doctors, nurses and healthcare pros out there! My healthcare with the VA in my neck of the woods has been nothing short of the best and most transformative healthcare I’ve had in my entire life. Huge shoutout to the Birmingham VA and Huntsville VA for all they’ve done for me.
In the immortal words of Sheldon Cooper on Big Bang Theory, "I have no problem believing this is not butter.."
One of the problems is, doctors do not practice medicine any longer, they practice medication.
Pablo at no time did I say unsaturated fat is bad. I said butter is bad. I believe in reference to even plant based butters I said they were probably unnecessary and could be more healthily replaced with herbs and spices.
In other posts I've made it clear that you should "live in the produce isle", I say this as a reflection of what I do and as my heartfelt recommendation of what others should do as well. I believe to that post you commented that I was 1/2 right, I assume the part you think I'm correct about is the part where I said you should ignore my advice.
I don't recommend a diet at all. Not a low fat diet, certainly not an Adkins diet, or a paleo-new age whatever the hell you want to call it diet. Diets are formulated by people who need to sell books. Your body doesn't care about that and you shouldn't either. Eat food as though its 2000 years ago and remember that Roman gladiators ate almost zero meat
Investigate blue zone diets. Look at how Japan as a whole is pretty healthy but only one small corner of Japan is a blue zone and outlives the rest. It is the Island of Okinawa where they, based on availability, have replaced fish with their version of sweet potato. Around the world, culture after culture, without regard for politics or psychosocial disposition what we find is that the people who are thriving disease free to the oldest of age are consuming little to no animal products. They aren't doing it because of a book they read, or because of some need to be this thing or that thing, rather its often a accidental confluence of culture and availability, but the results are profound.The criticisms levied here against western medicine are accurate. Most of you will be told by your PCP to focus on losing weight and eat a "well balanced diet". This is **** advice.
The patients given to Esselstyn for his plant based studies at the Cleveland Clinic were the worst of the worst. I strongly suspect this is because administration wanted him to fail. But also patients more readily commit to studies when they are on the doorstep of death, and these patients absolutely were. I know these patients. Not these exact ones but thousands of others' with the very exact sequala. I know what happens to them in aggregate. Massive amounts of money spent on surgeries and medicines for below average life expectancies and certainly below average quality of life metrics.
Esselstyn's results with patients who were near death was so profound it changed my understanding of what was possible. There is no comparison between what he did simply with a plant based diet and what the rest of the western world does as a matter of standard operating procedure. But If we are honest we knew it all along. Ask a cardiothoracic surgeon how many CABGs they've performed on vegans and they'll quietly admit zero. Not less, not it's probably healthy, or it works for some people....ZERO. A person who does this procedure for a living every single day and he says...ZERO.
Esselstyn's work was made famous outside of the establishment because of a documentary called Forks over Knives (2011). You can watch this or you can search out the underlying research that drove his conclusions and look into his own study(s).
Another great one is the study from Stanford called TwiNS. Here for the first time they compared Vegan vs Omnivore but with groups that were genetically identical(identical twins). This is ground breaking because for the first time they were able to control for genetics. So there can be no more talk of "yeah but my genes are bad". The findings were shocking to me in only one regard, and that is the effect of telomere. I did not anticipate that component but in hindsight it explains a lot. Their study is easy to google and read yourself.
Our country is so far gone in terms of diseasecare. Yeah that's not a typo, we don't have healthcare, we have diseasecare.
Ya know what the biggest irony here is. My very livelihood is counting on you not listening to me.
People need to understand that.
There is truth to that. The system has a lot of issues and it has failed many people. However, there is another component we have to be honest about and that is the role of the patient.--The patient has to take responsibility for their own actions.
I can't think of anything more important than ones own health and ones own life and it shocks me the extent to which people don't take care of their own bodies. They poison them, neglect them, in all manner of ways then expect a western medicine miracle in the 11th hour.
It's hard to live healthily and frankly many people just can't pull it off.
The toughest recommendations are the most ignored ones. Patients are told things they can do to avoid a certain surgery for instance, and many simply don't do it.
As an overarching theme I will say this:
Patients underestimate the impact of their own decisions and the influence they can have on their own outcome, and they overestimate our ability to fix the consequence of their poor decisions.
My in-laws are this way. My MIL is a chain-smoker who lies to her cardiologist about her drinking and smoking and simply tells the doc “I do everything you’ve asked” while not going even for walks, not quitting smoking, still eating mostly fast food, starting the day with a drink. She’s had many heart attacks and will say “Doctor’s don’t know poo. It’s all genetic!”.
Father in law just had his second stroke, but was at least honest about his smoking and said he has zero intention to quit. He’s also a type 2 diabetic and doesn’t exclude any of the food on the “Do not eat” list he was given and yet laments that he has to take insulin every day of his life.
Some folks, you just can’t reach.
Oh man... I'm glad you found some use for it. I wouldn't have known what to do with it. Being obsessed with oil is not cheap.... and unfortunately it's more expensive to have good oil in the kitchen than it is in the garage. How crazy is that??
You are correct - I should not have said YOU. I meant or should have said the medical profession condemns saturated fats. I am sorry about that.Pablo at no time did I say unsaturated fat is bad. I said butter is bad. I believe in reference to even plant based butters I said they were probably unnecessary and could be more healthily replaced with herbs and spices.
In other posts I've made it clear that you should "live in the produce isle", I say this as a reflection of what I do and as my heartfelt recommendation of what others should do as well. I believe to that post you commented that I was 1/2 right, I assume the part you think I'm correct about is the part where I said you should ignore my advice.
I don't recommend a diet at all. Not a low fat diet, certainly not an Adkins diet, or a paleo-new age whatever the hell you want to call it diet. Diets are formulated by people who need to sell books. Your body doesn't care about that and you shouldn't either. Eat food as though its 2000 years ago and remember that Roman gladiators ate almost zero meat
The criticisms levied here against western medicine are accurate. Most of you will be told by your PCP to focus on losing weight and eat a "well balanced diet". This is **** advice.
The patients given to Esselstyn for his plant based studies at the Cleveland Clinic were the worst of the worst. I strongly suspect this is because administration wanted him to fail. But also patients more readily commit to studies when they are on the doorstep of death, and these patients absolutely were. I know these patients. Not these exact ones but thousands of others' with the very exact sequala. I know what happens to them in aggregate. Massive amounts of money spent on surgeries and medicines for below average life expectancies and certainly below average quality of life metrics.
Esselstyn's results with patients who were near death was so profound it changed my understanding of what was possible. There is no comparison between what he did simply with a plant based diet and what the rest of the western world does as a matter of standard operating procedure. But If we are honest we knew it all along. Ask a cardiothoracic surgeon how many CABGs they've performed on vegans and they'll quietly admit zero. Not less, not it's probably healthy, or it works for some people....ZERO. A person who does this procedure for a living every single day and he says...ZERO.
Esselstyn's work was made famous outside of the establishment because of a documentary called Forks over Knives (2011). You can watch this or you can search out the underlying research that drove his conclusions and look into his own study(s).
Another great one is the study from Stanford called TwiNS. Here for the first time they compared Vegan vs Omnivore but with groups that were genetically identical(identical twins). This is ground breaking because for the first time they were able to control for genetics. So there can be no more talk of "yeah but my genes are bad". The findings were shocking to me in only one regard, and that is the effect of telomere. I did not anticipate that component but in hindsight it explains a lot. Their study is easy to google and read yourself.
Our country is so far gone in terms of diseasecare. Yeah that's not a typo, we don't have healthcare, we have diseasecare.
Ya know what the biggest irony here is. My very livelihood is counting on you not listening to me.
I agree with much of what you write, probably more than 1/2. Thank you for taking the time to respond in detail and I must also apologize for not having time to reply sooner and in detail.
My job is safe.
"Most of them had already undergone the “knife” or had had angioplasties that took care of their most worrisome coronary blockages."
As soon as someone responds to his work with statements like that I simply can't take them seriously anymore. The statement show a fundamental lack of understanding related to atherosclerotic process.
Honestly just eat whatever you want. I'm tired.
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Respectfully, I appreciate you being here and offering perspective. I don’t envy your job because day in and day out you deal with non-compliant liars who tell you they are compliant and don’t even understand the definition of the word.
That said, the absolute worst I’ve ever felt in my life was 6 months of WFPB and I wish I was exaggerating. I will admit that it cleared my rampant heartburn due to the lack of preservatives, but overall I felt horrible. I had stomach distention, bloating, gas, my joints ached worse than they ever had before at the time, my skin got dry, red and flaky (especially on the sides and above my nose between my eyebrows) and I felt generally in a fog.
Oatmeal and cruciferous vegetables do NOT process well in my gut and were the cause of the gastric distress. As soon as I added red meat back to my diet, all of the other symptoms cleared up between 24-48 hours.
Put simply, I tried WFPB because it was touted as the “end all be all”, but it was NOT the eating system for me.
Humans are omnivores. Any attempt to rewrite that part of biology doesn’t end well. To infer people who eat a healthy diet including meat have worse outcomes because a few people who are vegan are healthy is bad science.
