GTX better than Valvoline WB?

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Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: FastSUV
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/mystik-jt6-no2.113396/


RL's CV-2 grease has just as good of a water washout percentage as JT-6, yet a much higher dropping point (900 deg vs 500 deg) and a much better load wear index (71.1 vs 50).

IMHO, that's one of the best greases you can buy.


and can you get it for 3 dollars a tube at wal-mart? Is it a synthetic grease & if so then its about time we found a synthetic grease that can compete with this particular dino grease :)
 
Except it does a lot more than compete with...
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Either of them are good and have returned good UOA results(there are more GTX UOA's in recent months). I'd buy either of them depending on price, if one is cheaper than the other than get it. Don't let brand loyalty force you into paying more money as in this case the oils are a good value.
 
I consider Valvoline and GTX the bottom rung of name brand conventionals. Pretty much EVERYTHING is better than these two brands.

If supertech was a dime cheaper than valvoline I would buy it instead.
 
Originally Posted By: jstutz
Fast, you have posted almost 1000 times in the last 9 months, you should know better than to ask a generic question like this and actually expect to get a concrete answer.

I was thinking the same thing! My post count is low because I've asked questions in the beginning and I've LEARNED A LOT since...so no need to ask random questions. If I ask a question now, it's because I have a real need.
 
Don't judge them by their additives, the two are typically able to withstand sheer better than other brands. While slightly weaker in certain additives that by no means makes them inferior. The GTX results from several months ago concerning I believe an Accord and a Toyota(forget their makes) going 10k. The GTX really didn't shear all that much during that 10k.


Some people aren't looking for a Proton Defensive Infuser piston protector additive, but a solid relatively cheap oil without any "fluff". The Valvoline WB can be had relatively cheap at Napa and Walmart.
 
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Originally Posted By: milwaukee
I consider Valvoline and GTX the bottom rung of name brand conventionals. Pretty much EVERYTHING is better than these two brands.

If supertech was a dime cheaper than valvoline I would buy it instead.


How do you figure this. Im not saying your wrong, but dont understand how you came to this conclusion. As of now, i have not seen anything showing ST to be better than either one of these brands. Of all UOA's that i have run across, ST has been lower in detergents than most name brands and no moly. Again, im not saying it is better or worse but i sure have not seen evidence that it is better for sure. Maybe FAST can chime in as i know as much as he is on here, he probably reads thru each section every day like some of us and im sure he keeps an eye on UOA's.
 
Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
Originally Posted By: jstutz
Fast, you have posted almost 1000 times in the last 9 months, you should know better than to ask a generic question like this and actually expect to get a concrete answer.

I was thinking the same thing! My post count is low because I've asked questions in the beginning and I've LEARNED A LOT since...so no need to ask random questions. If I ask a question now, it's because I have a real need.



Ahh, like he said earlier, sometimes you get the best answers pop up out of nowhere. Some people just simply like to talk about oils. I myself find that there are nights that i shut the tube off and research oil [censored] for hours. I have seperate folders for data sheets and viscosity plots, studys, and white papers. I have spent so much time trying to figure out what is best and have come to the conclusion that you just have to make an educated guess based on your conditions because there are too many variables and not nearly enough data or experiments to come to a conclusive answer. I have even gone as far as setting up my on viscosity tests with oil at room temp and freezer temps, just to feel the difference and not just read numbers. Good luck in your quest for the best but i really believe that as of now we just dont have the proper experiments. Heck i wish everyone would do like amsoil and run a bunch of accepted tests and show the results. To me, if you dont have the confidence to step out and say " my stuff is the best and here is why", then it probably is not the best. We always get these stupid tests where company X is y times better than Z in one test. So what, blending oil is a balancing act and you are not telling the entire story (or even close) by running one test. If all else is equal and you excell in an area, then great but that is not the case. Anyway sorry about the rant, didnt mean to get post off track.
 
With my 5k oci's, I've learned that the best oil is the one that is the cheapest. I used to run nothing but MC5000 when it was $9. Once my stash is gone, I will run QS for $9.50.
 
Originally Posted By: jstutz
Originally Posted By: milwaukee
I consider Valvoline and GTX the bottom rung of name brand conventionals. Pretty much EVERYTHING is better than these two brands.

If supertech was a dime cheaper than valvoline I would buy it instead.


How do you figure this. Im not saying your wrong, but dont understand how you came to this conclusion. As of now, i have not seen anything showing ST to be better than either one of these brands. Of all UOA's that i have run across, ST has been lower in detergents than most name brands and no moly. Again, im not saying it is better or worse but i sure have not seen evidence that it is better for sure. Maybe FAST can chime in as i know as much as he is on here, he probably reads thru each section every day like some of us and im sure he keeps an eye on UOA's.


Valvoline has shown weak add packs over and over on VOA over the years. I don't buy the "base oil is so good it doesn't need adds" either. Valvoline and Castrol are blenders. Valvoline has never impressed compared to other conventionals and Castrol changes so much you never know what you are getting.

NIETHER Valvoline or GTX are BAD oils! They just simply are not as good as Chevron, SOPUS, Conoco-Phillips, etc etc.

NOBODY can provide any real data that says valvoline wb is as good as PYB. Yet many UOA and VOA show PYB a superior product.
 
I'd go with GTX, though the are both good oils that I've used alot of over the years. I've always thought of GTX as the top-of-the-line conventional oil.
 
Originally Posted By: milwaukee
Originally Posted By: jstutz
Originally Posted By: milwaukee
I consider Valvoline and GTX the bottom rung of name brand conventionals. Pretty much EVERYTHING is better than these two brands.

If supertech was a dime cheaper than valvoline I would buy it instead.


How do you figure this. Im not saying your wrong, but dont understand how you came to this conclusion. As of now, i have not seen anything showing ST to be better than either one of these brands. Of all UOA's that i have run across, ST has been lower in detergents than most name brands and no moly. Again, im not saying it is better or worse but i sure have not seen evidence that it is better for sure. Maybe FAST can chime in as i know as much as he is on here, he probably reads thru each section every day like some of us and im sure he keeps an eye on UOA's.


Valvoline has shown weak add packs over and over on VOA over the years. I don't buy the "base oil is so good it doesn't need adds" either. Valvoline and Castrol are blenders. Valvoline has never impressed compared to other conventionals and Castrol changes so much you never know what you are getting.

NIETHER Valvoline or GTX are BAD oils! They just simply are not as good as Chevron, SOPUS, Conoco-Phillips, etc etc.

NOBODY can provide any real data that says valvoline wb is as good as PYB. Yet many UOA and VOA show PYB a superior product.


For the most part i agree, but to say there not as good as ST, i wouldnt go there. Maybe we can agree that they are most likely not the best in class.
 
Originally Posted By: milwaukee
Originally Posted By: jstutz
Originally Posted By: milwaukee
I consider Valvoline and GTX the bottom rung of name brand conventionals. Pretty much EVERYTHING is better than these two brands.

If supertech was a dime cheaper than valvoline I would buy it instead.


How do you figure this. Im not saying your wrong, but dont understand how you came to this conclusion. As of now, i have not seen anything showing ST to be better than either one of these brands. Of all UOA's that i have run across, ST has been lower in detergents than most name brands and no moly. Again, im not saying it is better or worse but i sure have not seen evidence that it is better for sure. Maybe FAST can chime in as i know as much as he is on here, he probably reads thru each section every day like some of us and im sure he keeps an eye on UOA's.


Valvoline has shown weak add packs over and over on VOA over the years. I don't buy the "base oil is so good it doesn't need adds" either. Valvoline and Castrol are blenders. Valvoline has never impressed compared to other conventionals and Castrol changes so much you never know what you are getting.

NIETHER Valvoline or GTX are BAD oils! They just simply are not as good as Chevron, SOPUS, Conoco-Phillips, etc etc.

NOBODY can provide any real data that says valvoline wb is as good as PYB. Yet many UOA and VOA show PYB a superior product.


so u r saying that Trop-artic is better than GTX???? I doubt that one but maybe I am wrong.
 
Originally Posted By: milwaukee
I consider Valvoline and GTX the bottom rung of name brand conventionals. Pretty much EVERYTHING is better than these two brands.

If supertech was a dime cheaper than valvoline I would buy it instead.


and what makes you think this
 
I have used Valvoline WB and PYB in numerous vehicles for hundreds of thousands of miles over the years... and even flirted with GTX way back when. Fine cheap oils that will serve you well in common street applications if you use intelligent OCIs.
 
Originally Posted By: FastSUV
say 5w30 or 10w30...not necessarily for my vehicles but just in general?

comments...


Both are Group II based and both use Lubrizol add packs. Not enough difference between them to make a difference.
 
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