Got 3+ years out of a pair of GE Nighthawks

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GE Nighthawks aren't talked about much even though they were held in fairly high regard by Daniel Stern. I installed a set over three years ago, and one of the two bulbs finally died after regular use. That's a whole lot better than what people are getting out of those lame blue Silver Stars!

Just an FYI in case anyone's searching for info.
 
Nighthawks or Nighthawk sports? I believe the sports have the blue tint and the correspondingly short lifespan. I would think the non-sports would last as long as a normal bulb?
 
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
GE Nighthawks aren't talked about much even though they were held in fairly high regard by Daniel Stern. I installed a set over three years ago, and one of the two bulbs finally died after regular use. That's a whole lot better than what people are getting out of those lame blue Silver Stars!

Just an FYI in case anyone's searching for info.



How are Silverstars "lame?" Our daughters car has Silverstar 9006's which are well into their 3rd year !
 
big fan of Nighthawk Platinums! if only they made them in H11 size that was widely available. I refuse to settle for CrystalVisions lol.
 
Originally Posted By: bepperb
Nighthawks or Nighthawk sports? I believe the sports have the blue tint and the correspondingly short lifespan. I would think the non-sports would last as long as a normal bulb?

Sorry, I should have specified the 'original regular' clear ones.
 
Originally Posted By: CMMeadAM


How are Silverstars "lame?" Our daughters car has Silverstar 9006's which are well into their 3rd year !


They're blue tinted over the entire capsule, meaning that a lot of useful light gets filtered out and turned to heat. Also they're notorious for erratic lifespan, poor filament alignment/placement which throws the optics of the rest of the assembly off, etc.

As for the OP- I agree, Nighthawks are shamefully under-rated and not recognized for the fine product they are. Its a symptom of Sylvania being the Fram of lighting- they've grabbed ALL the shelf space at so many outlets that you have to go looking to find better stuff, like GE or Philips. Its out there, but its not occupying the whole lighting aisle at Pep Boys.



They're just crud when compared to a really well-made lamp, such as a Philips XtremeVision. Even the fully 'blued' CrystalVision (which I still wouldn't use) is a little better than a Silverstar.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Nighthawks are shamefully under-rated and not recognized for the fine product they are. Its a symptom of Sylvania being the Fram of lighting- they've grabbed ALL the shelf space at so many outlets that you have to go looking to find better stuff, like GE or Philips. Its out there, but its not occupying the whole lighting aisle at Pep Boys.

Haha, very well said, especially considering my recent experience with some replacement Sylvania 'long life' brake light bulbs which were anything but.
 
Then they are probably 'real' Osram Silver Stars, a fantastic bulb. Sylvania's homegrown blue-tinted ones are nothing like them.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: CMMeadAM


How are Silverstars "lame?" Our daughters car has Silverstar 9006's which are well into their 3rd year !


They're blue tinted over the entire capsule, meaning that a lot of useful light gets filtered out and turned to heat. Also they're notorious for erratic lifespan, poor filament alignment/placement which throws the optics of the rest of the assembly off, etc.

As for the OP- I agree, Nighthawks are shamefully under-rated and not recognized for the fine product they are. Its a symptom of Sylvania being the Fram of lighting- they've grabbed ALL the shelf space at so many outlets that you have to go looking to find better stuff, like GE or Philips. Its out there, but its not occupying the whole lighting aisle at Pep Boys.



They're just crud when compared to a really well-made lamp, such as a Philips XtremeVision. Even the fully 'blued' CrystalVision (which I still wouldn't use) is a little better than a Silverstar.





Well......the commentary is interesting, but as always, "opinion" not necessarily steeped in FACT. The "crud" Silverstar lamps filament alignment /placement is just fine in our use and so are the optics. So is their lifespan so far.

Nothing at all "wrong" with the Fram "ULTRA" filters either. One of Fram's best products and one the best oil filters out there. It's gross generalization and exaggeration to attempt to categorize all of a company's product based on small highly opinionated non factual sampling.
 
Originally Posted By: CMMeadAM
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: CMMeadAM


How are Silverstars "lame?" Our daughters car has Silverstar 9006's which are well into their 3rd year !


They're blue tinted over the entire capsule, meaning that a lot of useful light gets filtered out and turned to heat. Also they're notorious for erratic lifespan, poor filament alignment/placement which throws the optics of the rest of the assembly off, etc.

As for the OP- I agree, Nighthawks are shamefully under-rated and not recognized for the fine product they are. Its a symptom of Sylvania being the Fram of lighting- they've grabbed ALL the shelf space at so many outlets that you have to go looking to find better stuff, like GE or Philips. Its out there, but its not occupying the whole lighting aisle at Pep Boys.



They're just crud when compared to a really well-made lamp, such as a Philips XtremeVision. Even the fully 'blued' CrystalVision (which I still wouldn't use) is a little better than a Silverstar.





Well......the commentary is interesting, but as always, "opinion" not necessarily steeped in FACT. The "crud" Silverstar lamps filament alignment /placement is just fine in our use and so are the optics. So is their lifespan so far.

Nothing at all "wrong" with the Fram "ULTRA" filters either. One of Fram's best products and one the best oil filters out there. It's gross generalization and exaggeration to attempt to categorize all of a company's product based on small highly opinionated non factual sampling.


If you want facts take a look at the hour rating of the SilverStar lamps. A regular Sylvania 9006 is 1000 hours. The SilverStar is 200 hours. That's lame. It's OK your opinion of them is positive, but the facts are you get 1/5 the life for something that looks like a fake HID at best.

Standard Halogen Products
There are four Sylvania Standard 9006 series halogen headlamp models. The basic 9006 is a low-beam with a 90 degree base. It has a light output of 1,000 lumens, produces 55 watts of heat per hour and has a rated lifespan of 1,000 hours. The 9006LL is also equipped with a 90 degree base and produces identical levels of light and heat. Its lifespan is rated as 1,500 hours (LL = long life). Sylvania also produces two straight-base Standard 9006 bulbs, the 9006XS and the 9006XS LL (XS = straight base). Both produce 1,000 lumens of light and 55 watts of heat per hour. The XS has a lifespan of 1,000 hours, while the XS LL is rated at 1,500 hours. All four bulbs require 12.8 volts of power.

Silverstar Products
Sylvania's Silverstar 9006 headlamp series consisted of two models in 2010. The 9006ST (ST = Silverstar) is a low-beam bulb with a 90 degree base. It has a light output of 1,000 lumens, produces 55 watts of heat per hour and has an estimated lifespan of 200 hours. The 9006ST XS also generates 1,000 lumens, produces 55 watts of heat per hour and has an equivalent lifespan. The sole distinction between the two is the XS designation, meaning the bulb is equipped with a straight base. Both bulbs require 12.8 volts of power.

Cool Blue Products
Sylvania's Cool Blue 9006 headlamp series also had two models in late 2010. The 9006CB (CB = Cool Blue) is a low-beam bulb with a 90 degree base. It has a light output of 1,000 lumens, produces 55 watts of heat per hour and has a rated lifespan of 200 hours. The 9006CB XS also has a light output of 1,000 lumens, produces 55 watts of heat per hour and has an equivalent lifespan. Again, the difference between the two is the XS designation; an XS bulb is equipped with a straight base. As with all other 9006 series bulbs, these two models require 12.8 volts of power.



Read more: What are the Sylvania 9006 Headlight Bulb Specifications? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_7511259_sylvania-9006-headlight-bulb-specifications.html#ixzz2OXy3wOal
 
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I recently installed some nighthawk sealed beam 6054's.

They have a much better beam pattern than the silverstar. A more defined cut off and wider spread.

I can't comment on brightness as I also installed a 12 awg relayed harness at the same time and voltage drop went from ~ 2.0 volts to .3 volts.

My previous sealed beams were Sylvania's, one 5 year old xtra vision and one 18 month old silverstar. The silverstar was a lot whiter, which the human eye perceives as brighter, but either way, the nighhawks properly adjusted and getting within .3 volts of alternator voltage is orders of magnitudes superior.
 
Originally Posted By: bepperb
If you want facts take a look at the hour rating of the SilverStar lamps. A regular Sylvania 9006 is 1000 hours. The SilverStar is 200 hours. That's lame. It's OK your opinion of them is positive, but the facts are you get 1/5 the life for something that looks like a fake HID at best.

And that's only the short lifespan issue!

CMMeadAM, give this a read if you haven't yet (which is what I posted above): http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/blue/blue.html

Basically, tinted bulbs = less light and the wrong color temperature = bad idea. But if they are working for you, then great. Just know that you can do better, and most likely cheaper.
 
I was blinded last night by a Jaguar with blue lights. We were passing each other on a residential street. I had to pull over for my eyes to readjust so I could see.
I hate those things.


That being said, I do quite a bit of driving at night, and I still have the original bulbs in my 2002 Ford Taurus.

Is there any reason to get another color of bulb other than it "looks cool" ?
 
Originally Posted By: SuperDave456
Is there any reason to get another color of bulb other than it "looks cool" ?

Yellow has advantages in certain conditions, but beyond that, no.
 
Originally Posted By: CMMeadAM
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: CMMeadAM


How are Silverstars "lame?" Our daughters car has Silverstar 9006's which are well into their 3rd year !


They're blue tinted over the entire capsule, meaning that a lot of useful light gets filtered out and turned to heat. Also they're notorious for erratic lifespan, poor filament alignment/placement which throws the optics of the rest of the assembly off, etc.

As for the OP- I agree, Nighthawks are shamefully under-rated and not recognized for the fine product they are. Its a symptom of Sylvania being the Fram of lighting- they've grabbed ALL the shelf space at so many outlets that you have to go looking to find better stuff, like GE or Philips. Its out there, but its not occupying the whole lighting aisle at Pep Boys.



They're just crud when compared to a really well-made lamp, such as a Philips XtremeVision. Even the fully 'blued' CrystalVision (which I still wouldn't use) is a little better than a Silverstar.





Well......the commentary is interesting, but as always, "opinion" not necessarily steeped in FACT. The "crud" Silverstar lamps filament alignment /placement is just fine in our use and so are the optics. So is their lifespan so far.


Well, the claim that blue coatings absorb light that COULD have shined on the road and convert it to heat inside the lamp assembly is a simple engineering fact, not an opinion. Its also a biological fact that the human eye focuses best on elements of a scene that are rendered in the yellow portion of the spectrum, so selectively reducing the yellow components in favor of blue actually presents a scene that is WORSE for the human eye. HID and LED lamp makers have gone to great lengths to make the color temperature and color-rendering-index of their lamps LESS "bluish", and the incandescent lamp makers filtering their light in favor of blue is throwing away something really easy with their technology, just to appeal to the "it looks cool" pressures in the marketplace.


I haven't personally set up an optical test bench to examine the filament placement on a wide sample of Silverstar lamps... have YOU done so to claim that the QA is "just fine" in your use?

And yes, the Fram Ultra is great. Not really the issue here, just a comparison of marketing methods (saturate shelf space).
 
Any aftermarket HID's or blue tinted Halogens is just a marketing scam aimed at those who want their car to appear to be a more expensive vehicle.

Only HID lights with the reflectors designed around the HID bulbs are worthy of use.

In my opinion, all attempts to get blue or hyper white lights on vehicles that left the factory with halogens is a waste, and dangerous as all they do is blind other drivers. The extra light from the vehicle with poorly focused aftermarket HID's causes that drivers pupils to contract more, actually reducing night vision, and then more light ultimately equals poorer visibility.

The yellower the light, the better the road visibility is on wet roads. My previous headlamps, one white Silverstar and one yellower extravision made this very very obvious.
 
Originally Posted By: wrcsixeight
Any aftermarket HID's or blue tinted Halogens is just a marketing scam aimed at those who want their car to appear to be a more expensive vehicle.

Only HID lights with the reflectors designed around the HID bulbs are worthy of use.

In my opinion, all attempts to get blue or hyper white lights on vehicles that left the factory with halogens is a waste, and dangerous as all they do is blind other drivers. The extra light from the vehicle with poorly focused aftermarket HID's causes that drivers pupils to contract more, actually reducing night vision, and then more light ultimately equals poorer visibility.

The yellower the light, the better the road visibility is on wet roads. My previous headlamps, one white Silverstar and one yellower extravision made this very very obvious.


Agreed!!
 
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