Gambling with non-OEM brake pads?

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Yea, I know, OEM Toyota or Akebono tends to work better on Toyotas. But, if I had to get brake pads tonight to go along with new rotors - I had a machine shop molest a set of Aisin rotors and there’s a shimmy in them upon braking, what would you gamble with?

- Duralast Gold or BrakeBest Select Ceramicc Indian-made by MAT Holdings
- Duralast Elite made by Bosch in Mexico
- PerfectStop Elite, made by Bosch in Mexico
- Federated, made by Wagner in Mexico or USA.

I might have time on my side to get OEM Toyota. They’ll be going onto a 2005 Sienna.
 
Yea, I know, OEM Toyota or Akebono tends to work better on Toyotas. But, if I had to get brake pads tonight to go along with new rotors - I had a machine shop molest a set of Aisin rotors and there’s a shimmy in them upon braking, what would you gamble with?

- Duralast Gold or BrakeBest Select Ceramicc Indian-made by MAT Holdings
- Duralast Elite made by Bosch in Mexico
- PerfectStop Elite, made by Bosch in Mexico
- Federated, made by Wagner in Mexico or USA.

I might have time on my side to get OEM Toyota. They’ll be going onto a 2005 Sienna.
All Duralast pads are made by Bosch at this point in time. or at least all pads post 2017. There are still some old stock on the shelf.

I personally have had good luck with them. The elites are really nice for My 2018 mazda 3. I do plan on getting a BBK later in life, but the elite pads in the front and rear do pretty well even for spirited driving. I have put around 10k miles on them and they still have quite a bit of life. factory rear pads were at the wear sensors by 45k miles and the fronts were probably around 50%. I decided to replace them both at the same time. I also have a set of elite pads and gold rotors on my protege I used as a big break kit for my 2002 protege, pads, rotors, and calipers swap over directly off of a 2010 mazda 6/ford fusion. I have put quite about 20k miles on them including 6 or so track days and a couple of scca events. They still have a healthy amount of life and I have yet to heat them into significant brake fade like i did the gold pads on the factory rotors.
 
If you can get the OEM Toyota, that is good :)

If you can't wait for quality pads and need something right away in an emergency, just get the cheapest pads since you don't know the quality of house brand pads anyway :sneaky:

The EBC Ultimax/Blackstuff pads are awesome, but of course you'd have to wait a few days for them to come.
 
No issues using any brands listed. Duralast and Napa SilentGuard are always my preferred pads. I’m a Toyota tech and I hate installing factory pads because they don’t come with shims or hardware so I don’t buy them. I haven’t had any issues with aftermarket pads I’ve installed on my Toyotas either. Duralast Elite and Gold would be my choices. BrakeBest Select aren’t bad either.
 
I went down a rabbit hole last time and eventually settled for Raybestos sets, with EHT pads, front and back.

The front pads explicitly stated that they came with the mounting kit (all the little thingamagingies) - turned out the lacked the noise/vibration clips/whatever they are called.

Looked at the site - they also sell a separate mounting kit (same name as the thing advertised with the pads, "mounting kit" or "assembly kit" or whateverit was), containing the same things, plus those shims.

Called Raybestos support - they picked up on the first call, obviously in the US, because 1) I could understand what they were saying and 2) they sounded like I owed them money.

Guy listened to me for 15 seconds and said "if it's listed as coming included then it comes included". Then when I asked why the separate small parts kit they sell is also called the same name but has extra stuff - he hung up on me.

I mounted them, and religiously followed the procedure for bedding the pads in. A dangerous one, as going X times to 55mph in my neighborhood is fun.

Anyhow - did all that. Well, best brakes ever. No contest.

The rear right rotor rubs on the edge of the parking brake pad, but I guess that's fine. Or at least I decided so after taking it off and putting it back on a million times.

A love story to pass to the generations to come, except - now, 29000 miles later, the fronts vibrate, and have an increasingly troubling dead time before they bite.

I drove 400 miles in the rain and mist yesterday, and by moments it felt like close to a second goes between touching the brake and having some response. So it's way worse in the rain.

Sliding pins and everything are new. Grease used where instructed.

I loved how they worked when they worked, but I'm not sure I'll go for them next time.

Which might be soon.
 
Toyota brake pads are great but stay away from Toyota economy pads that have part numbers containing AZ or YZZ in the number. They just aren't they same quality for some reason according to the car care nut.
Nissan had an economy line as well. Not sure about the current situation, though. The OEM cost was too high, so dealers were using cheap aftermarket parts, so a cheaper line of pads were sourced, in an attempt to compete.
 
Honestly, I don't think I have EVER bought OEM pads, regardless of manufacturer. I tend to run Bosch QuiteCast in everything. Used them for years (whatever they were called before QuiteCast.) I'm not picky though. Quite, long lasting, low dust. Golden for me.
Yea, the times I’ve installed Bosch pads(Perfect Stop), they seemed to work fine. I think they’re the same as QuietCast but in a different box.
 
the dice has been rolled. I’m going with Duralast Elite. Made in Mexico. My local AZ had Gold, made in India.

These are within striking distance of OEM Toyota “warranty” pads(the TCMC “service/customer pay” pads are cheaper) - but Toyota makes you buy shims and the pad hardware separately. Subaru includes it all, Honda includes shims with their pad kits.

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