Fuel system cleaner for new car.

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
M1 ESP 5w-30, Valvoline Sympower 5w-40 MST...


M1 ESP is more of a diesel engine oil for DPFs and does not carry the ford certification but it is SN and can use in a high performance gasoline engine. Don't know how that would affect my warranty and is no where to be found around here. 5w-40 mst is the wrong weight as I need a 5w30 And is hard to find and expensive, only place I really know that has it is amazon.

Using Kendall gt1 which is all group 3 until I'm out of warranty and at 5k oci due to severe service and will do a uoa to establish trend and a baseline. After I use up my gt1 I've been thing about using M1 EP and extending oci.

 

[Quattro Pete]

PepBoys sells M1 ESP. NAPA sells Synpower 5w-40.

 

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
PepBoys sells M1 ESP. NAPA sells Synpower 5w-40.



No pep boys in Iowa and 5w-40 is the wrong grade.

 

[Quattro Pete]

There is also Synpower 5w-30 MST. I haven't seen it on the shelf at NAPA, but they can probably order it.

 

[volk06]

MST is non-ILSAC and does not carry the Ford spec. Thanks for the info though Quattro Pete.

I found out that the kendall full syn has a NOACK value of 10.5 for the 5w-30.

 

[Bluestream]

Originally Posted By: The_Intimidator
As content as you are with your cars success (congrats btw, honestly) the amount of money you could have saved in gas had you used a proper FSC, is most assuredly astronomical. I am glad you believe yourself to be right, but sadly if I agreed with you, we would both be incorrect.


It would have made no difference. The gas I buy has cleaner in it anyway. Anyone using E10 (I don't) already has one of the best cleaners they can buy in the ethanol. The folks on this site are additive junkies. I have found that professional mechanics rarely recommend and additive' however shadetree love them...

 

[ltslimjim]

^much of what you just said applies to newer vehicles, not ones that have actually suffered performance on the wider use of ethanol in the last 10 years.

 

[SteveSRT8]

To dismiss all additives in a blanket statement is a denial of the simple fact that everyone is different. Thus the duty cycle of the machine is different.

Some additives have a real benefit and can help particular vehicles with specific issues. Kreen is a good one. There are others.

 

[Bluestream]

Have a look at this web page.

http://www.fuel-testers.com/is_gas_additive_safe_with_e10_list.html

Key take aways: Since E10 is a strong solvent, cleanser, de-greaser, anti-freeze and octane enhancer, regular use of additional gas additives is usually unnecessary - Only unique circumstances will determine the need for additive use, (E.G. prolonged gas storage, high humidity/moist environments, marine engines, older vehicles).

Using alcohol-based and strong solvent additives as a preventive measure in fresh, good e10 gasoline is not recommended, since this will only increase water absorption and parts disintegration, and may also raise ethanol content over manufacturer recommended 10% maximum.

Most fuel additives are just alcohol, stoddard solvent or naphtha..Techtron is the exception. Top tier fuel has cleaners in it, so no need for more. Just empties the wallet, and makes user "feel Good"

 

[PZR2874]

The best oil I've used on my DI is PU 5-40 Euro Formulation. And when that's not feasible, Regular PU 5-30. I've found that regular (1K-3K) seafoam treatments assist with carbon buildup on the valves.

Just my 2¢

 

[mr_diy]

Will a strong FSC like PEA act to clean the carbon from the oil control rings?

BTW a have a GM ShortStar that developed oil the oil comsumption issue and have not yet been able to solve it with other carbon cleaning methods. I wonder if FSC with PEA detegents with make it into the piston rings.

 

[mr_diy]

Originally Posted By: abycat
My new car is not DI and im kinda glad. I Was thinking that a fuel system cleaner would be needed on a DI car and it might have better luck cleaning the CC. But the only way to clean the valves besides dissasembly would be to introduce a cleaner behind the throttle body. Is that safe for new cars? and would that be enough to clean them up?


I agree with your concern about DI gas engines.

I periodically have used Amsoil PF to manually clean vehicle throttle bodies but I try to soak up as much of the dissolved carbon as possible thinking this concentration of solvent/carbon could cause problems downstream. May pool in the manifold and redeposit during combustion, or worse end up flooding a cylinder. Seems like carbon in the intake manifold would not present any problem though heavy value deposits may.
I would like to find a reasonable priced camera probe to check the carbon build up all the way into the cylinders.

 

[91344George]

Originally Posted By: mr_diy
Will a strong FSC like PEA act to clean the carbon from the oil control rings?

BTW a have a GM ShortStar that developed oil the oil comsumption issue and have not yet been able to solve it with other carbon cleaning methods. I wonder if FSC with PEA detegents with make it into the piston rings.


Yes it will make it to the rings... PEA is super effective at cleaning carbon deposits. There really is nothing better for a gradual decarbonization of parts than PEA.

 

[Boss302fan]

Kreen in the oil and gas will work well for you... Could also use Kreen in the oil with a PEA cleaner like Redline SI-1 in the gas. Your choice.

 

[The Critic]

Everyone keeps mentioning PEA to be the panacea for cleaning fuel systems, but there has to be something just as good, if not better on the market by now.

I just started using RLI Bio-Plus at every fill-up on the Prius. This is with generic Arco/BP fuel. With this mix, I am noticing a slightly smoother idle on cold starts compared to using top-tier fuel alone.

 

[mongo161]

IMO...You can always try a nice healthy dose of Kreen if you feel that your fuel system, combustion chamber, injectors and rings need a good cleaning.

IMO....I don't think you have much to be concerned about if your dealing with a 2011 Toyota Prius. Think about the Kreen treatment now and maybe you can get the benefit a few years down the road..... and many thousands of miles from now.

 

[cchase]

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Everyone keeps mentioning PEA to be the panacea for cleaning fuel systems, but there has to be something just as good, if not better on the market by now..


Explain...

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Everyone keeps mentioning PEA to be the panacea for cleaning fuel systems, but there has to be something just as good, if not better on the market by now..


Explain...

There are a number of posts in this section where PEA is touted to be the only ingredient that will make a fuel system cleaner effective.

PEA has been around for a long time, and obviously it works. But I don't feel that cleaners without PEA should automatically be considered garbage, either. What I am trying to say is that it may be possible for fuel system cleaners to contain other ingredients that are just as effective as PEA?

 

[ltslimjim]

^You know I've wondered this because of the recent use of Kreen, why wouldn't something 'similar' to Kreen 'like' B-12 Chemtool be useful?

 

[cchase]

I agree with your premise, but so far I haven't seen anything with the reputation from manufacturers, scientific publications, and internet anecdotes to match PEA.

If something else worked as well or better than PEA, I feel like we would have heard about it by now.