Frankenjug 5qt

[jrustles]

Originally Posted By: HKPolice
I'm ashamed that another Canadian can be so ignorant. Toyota wasn't campaigning just for Japan, but ALL OF ASIA.


So what? What are they even campaigning.. improved cold engine wear?

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Most of them do NOT HAVE Fuel efficiency standards enforced, only currently "planned" for the future. Look @ the map yourself on page 6: http://www.globalfueleconomy.org/documents/publications/gfei_state_of_the_world_2014.pdf


So what. Is the future coming or going? What about fuel economy estimates, is there a post-warranty engine lifespan guarantee right next to it on the sticker? Please..

Originally Posted By: HKPolice

People who hang on to thick oils will never change no matter how many facts or UOAs are thrown at them, it's like a religion. I'm going to ignore your posts from now on.


This is the problem- you, and a few others, approach these discussions prejudiced against some 'oil luddite' character and project that onto anyone who is not completely delusional about the purposes of these newer low viscosities. Whether intentional or not, projecting this character onto anyone always ends up futily as a strawman argument.

Some people chant the mantra "thin as possible, thick as necessary" but fail to qualify the 'necessary' part, or just can't imagine someone else having a different 'necessary' than they imagine for themselves.

I run 0w20s in non-spec application and have for years. I'm not delusional about the fact that I'm sacrificing the ultimate wear protection for low-oil-drag while bouncing off the limiter at 8000rpm, but only that I've deemed the compromise as acceptable. I'm not thinking to myself "well gee I'm glad all this cold start up wear that I'm saving on makes up for any increased part-part rubbing and boundary mode lubrication at full-load, full-rpm from inevitably reduced viscosity" but I know it doesn't work like that; it's an unrealistic fantasy.

Ignore me if it makes you feel better HKPolice. FTR I don't have anyone on ignore, what's the point?

Originally Posted By: gfh77665

Do you REALLY think the goal of CAFE, which is THE driver behind thinner and thinner oils, is to have engines and cars wear out simultaneously?

This would be the red herring, as my comment is clearly in reply to:
*note bolded
Originally Posted By: Shannow

People just have to realise that compromise is real


And that is true, it's elementary.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Shannow

Honda describe it as providing adequate or acceptable wear with lower viscosity oils.

Clearly there is no CAFE objective to make the engines last LONGER.


Once again it's all in the words. Honda said, "Adequate or acceptable." With all the words in the English language why pick those if you're trying to sell a superior product? Words like Superior or Best would be better choices, and I can think of a lot more. Maybe there is some truth in their advertising.

Originally Posted By: Shannow

People just have to realise that compromise is real


So true.

 

[crazyoildude]

use it i have never seen any evidence that mixing oils did any damage to an engine and im around engines all day

 

[asharris7]

Thanks man

 

[951Indy]

I'm not from Canada. I'm not an engineer. I'm not an English teacher. I DO have 308,000 miles on my DD that often gets Frankenjug brews that were as wild as equal parts of 15-40 VPB, 0-20 M1, and some 10-30 Napa sale oil. I also added to its detriment by using Fram OCOD for most of its life. Its also had a few rounds of Edge/Ultras. Never had a fuel injection cleaning, MMO, or AutoRX.

What does this mean? A GM3800 doesn't care, and I doubt most engines do.

 

[SLCraig]

I do similar whenever I have enough random oil laying around. I've never had a problem. Infact I almost never have only 1 brand of oil in my sump because any top up I do, is with something else. New oil of any brand is better than being low on oil, or simply overextending OCI on one brand.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
You can mix whatever you want. All API oils must be compatible in order to meet ASTM D6922.


Mixable (unlike salad dressing) is not demonstrable of impaired performance.

 

[Garak]

I've got a mixing phobia, so I'm biased.

However, I've said before that the miscibility requirement of oils is to ensure people don't have problems topping up or switching brands, not and inducement for us to mix.

 

[Apollo14]

I can't imagine that mixing a 5w20 and a 5w30 of the same product would make much difference apart from viscosity.

Of course I can't be absolutely sure but it seems that in many cases such oils are the same excluding the amount of VII.

 

[Garak]

Also, some companies, such as Red Line if I recall correctly, is in favor of mixing. To me, though, the miscibility issue means if I'm a quart short on the highway, some GTX 20w-50 as a top up isn't going to make a motor with M1 AFE 0w-20 explode or fail. It doesn't mean they're encouraging me to make such a mix intentionally for an OCI.

 

[Shannow]

Yep, Penrite (Oz) recommend blending their race oil to get the results that you want, but went a little wobbly when they thought I might mix their racing and diesel oils...were happy with mixing the diesels too (and their other individual lines) too, just not crossing the streams.

Even M1 say that the former is harmelss and the latter should be harmless.

 

[Garak]

And I doubt that XOM would warrant a 50/50 mix of M1 and M1 EP for 12,500 miles, the middle of the 10,000 mile M1 and the 15,000 mile M1 EP. I also doubt that M1 and RP would jointly warrant a 50/50 mix of M1 and RP for roughly 11,000 miles.

I've already said that plenty of other reasoned blends can be made. Getting rid of orphaned quarts in the garage isn't a big deal, either. I just don't feel qualified to do a lot of blending, even where it's encouraged. It is a phobia, after all.