Listen, I am trying to help you but you must follow the process. If your oil analysis shows excessive wear, how would you know it is not pre-existing? Do you have previous oil analysis results from before the change? As far as dry starts, have you noticed a rattling sounds (rocker arms/lifters) on start up? If not, you havent had any dry starts. You have to let us evaluate the filter and that means sending it in unmolested. I will post pictures and keep anyone following this thread posted as to the results. People on this forum know me and know I do not [censored] or lie for anyone. My reputation as a master tech is all I truely own in this world.
Fram Ultra Oil Filter Failure Before 5,000 Miles
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Originally Posted By: Motorking
not so sure there, only wix and one other company use coils springs, everyone else uses leaf springs, just sayin....
So the 'one other' would be Mahle:
not so sure there, only wix and one other company use coils springs, everyone else uses leaf springs, just sayin....
So the 'one other' would be Mahle:
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Originally Posted By: Falken
This again cements the view that changing an oil filter every OCI or every 3-5k miles may be prudent. They don't only filter, they are mechanical devices that actually move when in use.
They have seals, pleats, springs and vary opening amount constanly based on oil pressure changes based on engine RPM. Best to not milk them as they are cheap and easy to change.
This again cements the view that changing an oil filter every OCI or every 3-5k miles may be prudent. They don't only filter, they are mechanical devices that actually move when in use.
They have seals, pleats, springs and vary opening amount constanly based on oil pressure changes based on engine RPM. Best to not milk them as they are cheap and easy to change.
Originally Posted By: Motorking
not so sure there, only wix and one other company use coils springs, everyone else uses leaf springs, just sayin....
Or, the 'one other' could be Baldwin?
not so sure there, only wix and one other company use coils springs, everyone else uses leaf springs, just sayin....
Or, the 'one other' could be Baldwin?
Originally Posted By: martinq
Or, the 'one other' could be Baldwin?
Ha funny I was going to repost that old picture you beat me to it.
Or, the 'one other' could be Baldwin?
Ha funny I was going to repost that old picture you beat me to it.
Originally Posted By: Mullick2001
I am still waiting on a call back from Fram, it's only been a few hours. I have decided I trust Fram enough to send it to them and for them to tell me what actually happened.
Too bad you don't take the unmolested filter and use a professional filter cutter and open it up. However, instead of just posting the photos of the filter internals, you need to film the entire cutting open of the filter, and upload to YouTube so you can show everybody what problems the filter has. And I'd be saying that about any filter brand you used that would have failed, I don't care what color it is. What will Fram give you, a replacement filter? There has already been a post implying that any engine damage might have already happened from a preexisting condition. What will they give you in return, just another filter?
I am still waiting on a call back from Fram, it's only been a few hours. I have decided I trust Fram enough to send it to them and for them to tell me what actually happened.
Too bad you don't take the unmolested filter and use a professional filter cutter and open it up. However, instead of just posting the photos of the filter internals, you need to film the entire cutting open of the filter, and upload to YouTube so you can show everybody what problems the filter has. And I'd be saying that about any filter brand you used that would have failed, I don't care what color it is. What will Fram give you, a replacement filter? There has already been a post implying that any engine damage might have already happened from a preexisting condition. What will they give you in return, just another filter?
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Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Ha funny I was going to repost that old picture you beat me to it.
Yeah sorry about that, but now I'm not sure that's what he was talking about. I think it was Full. Yes, the 'one other' is probably Full I'm thinking.
Ha funny I was going to repost that old picture you beat me to it.
Yeah sorry about that, but now I'm not sure that's what he was talking about. I think it was Full. Yes, the 'one other' is probably Full I'm thinking.
""Listen, I am trying to help you but you must follow the process. If your oil analysis shows excessive wear, how would you know it is not pre-existing? Do you have previous oil analysis results from before the change? As far as dry starts, have you noticed a rattling sounds (rocker arms/lifters) on start up? If not, you havent had any dry starts. You have to let us evaluate the filter and that means sending it in unmolested. I will post pictures and keep anyone following this thread posted as to the results. People on this forum know me and know I do not [censored] or lie for anyone. My reputation as a master tech is all I truely own in this world. ""
I dont know where you think I was trying to not take your advice. I am going to send it in. It seems like you are stuck on the fact that the fram filter could in no way have damaged my engine. This seriously [censored] me off. I have never done an oil analysis but i filled with the same filter and oil. If the results are extremely different it would be obvious it was the filter. I have taken your advice I dont know why you went on the defensive but now im getting kinda [censored]. I do not drive the car on a daily basis so jumping to conclusions there was a bad idea. My girlfriend has no idea what sounds should and should not come from her engine. [censored] she drove a car with two locked up brake calipers for over 15,000 miles. Im sorry if this sounded rude or confrontational but I have done nothing but follow everyone's advice and then someone from Fram says im not then starts deflecting the fact that there filter could have damaged my car. Seriously?
I dont know where you think I was trying to not take your advice. I am going to send it in. It seems like you are stuck on the fact that the fram filter could in no way have damaged my engine. This seriously [censored] me off. I have never done an oil analysis but i filled with the same filter and oil. If the results are extremely different it would be obvious it was the filter. I have taken your advice I dont know why you went on the defensive but now im getting kinda [censored]. I do not drive the car on a daily basis so jumping to conclusions there was a bad idea. My girlfriend has no idea what sounds should and should not come from her engine. [censored] she drove a car with two locked up brake calipers for over 15,000 miles. Im sorry if this sounded rude or confrontational but I have done nothing but follow everyone's advice and then someone from Fram says im not then starts deflecting the fact that there filter could have damaged my car. Seriously?
I doubt it damaged your engine ... and if it did, how could you prove it with a UOA? You'd have to tear it down and look for damage due to oil starvation. Even if it wasn't filtering 100%, you probably wouldn't see any damage because the oil wasn't ran too long and the engine is probably pretty clean inside to start with.
Based on the pattern of his replies (and who the "in response to:" is) I think he was replying to the post before mine where you said you might not send it in.
Give him a chance, he said he would post pictures, I think it would be very interesting.
Give him a chance, he said he would post pictures, I think it would be very interesting.
For all I know the 'one other' could be something like this. Ryco? Sure, why not.
Mullick--I'm happy to see you are sending it in uncut. That is the stand up thing to do, regardless of what other posters say. The Fram guy even gave you his cell as a sign of good will---how many people (or companies) would do that?
I was holding out for it to be an April Fools joke, but I guess it isn't
I was holding out for it to be an April Fools joke, but I guess it isn't
Was just angry earlier. Those [censored] 3.0L duratech and there stupid intake manifold. If they made changing spark plugs any harder I would honestly break down and pay for them to be done. MotorKing you have been very helpful. I will be sending the unit in tomorrow. Thanks everyone for the advice I'll keep you posted
This is why I am to the point where the only filters I trust are Wix. I don't care if only Wix and some other guy(s) use a coil spring. I guess that means only wix and 1 other guy(s) build a filter I want to buy!
What about Denso? Does anyone think the 'one other' is Denso?
Denso, Mann also use leaf springs in other filter models.. I do not count offshore no brand filters when comparing apples to apples. I just recently cut open 30 brands of filters and 28 used leaf springs and two had coils. Our engineers say both designs have benefits and drawbacks but also say most filter makers and OE's prefer leaf springs.
Mulick-good move sending it in, your vid sure looks like a leaf spring failure, otherwise the element wouldn't move/rattle like that. Hopefully Fram will make it right & at least get you another filter or 2, they seem to be MUCH more responsive to their customers than Purolator/Bosch! Let us know what they say.
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...... they seem to be MUCH more responsive to their customers than Purolator/Bosch!....
OT How so? Another member here recently discovered media breach on a PL14610 he had cut the filter open and posted pics here. He contacted Purolator, sent the filter in on their dime, Purolator examined the filter, sent him a complete report and two new P1's in return. Obviously they couldn't test the filter function, but as there was no noted engine performance difference, really didn't matter. He contacted Purolator by e mail, they quickly responded and sent him a return kit for the filter. I suppose the worst that could be said, based on the thread post timing is that from the time he contacted them, was sent the return kit, to getting the detailed report took about 6 weeks. I don't consider that unresponsive. There's been other similar examples posted on Bitog. And that filter was cut open and dissected prior to sending in. I guess the biggest difference I see is Puro not having a representative posting on Bitog.
...... they seem to be MUCH more responsive to their customers than Purolator/Bosch!....
OT How so? Another member here recently discovered media breach on a PL14610 he had cut the filter open and posted pics here. He contacted Purolator, sent the filter in on their dime, Purolator examined the filter, sent him a complete report and two new P1's in return. Obviously they couldn't test the filter function, but as there was no noted engine performance difference, really didn't matter. He contacted Purolator by e mail, they quickly responded and sent him a return kit for the filter. I suppose the worst that could be said, based on the thread post timing is that from the time he contacted them, was sent the return kit, to getting the detailed report took about 6 weeks. I don't consider that unresponsive. There's been other similar examples posted on Bitog. And that filter was cut open and dissected prior to sending in. I guess the biggest difference I see is Puro not having a representative posting on Bitog.
I would have to say that I am impressed with Fram (at least Motorking) and Purolator's customer service. I look forward to seeing this play out. If it goes like I expect, I would feel comfortable with either brand.
Martin, I don't think we need more random filter shots. I believe the original statement has been clarified sufficiently. The random wanderings I've seen in these threads has brought some thread topic to mind, but not enough to start one.
Originally Posted By: sayjac
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...... they seem to be MUCH more responsive to their customers than Purolator/Bosch!....
OT How so? Another member here recently discovered media breach on a PL14610 he had cut the filter open and posted pics here. He contacted Purolator, sent the filter in on their dime, Purolator examined the filter, sent him a complete report and two new P1's in return. Obviously they couldn't test the filter function, but as there was no noted engine performance difference, really didn't matter. He contacted Purolator by e mail, they quickly responded and sent him a return kit for the filter. I suppose the worst that could be said, based on the thread post timing is that from the time he contacted them, was sent the return kit, to getting the detailed report took about 6 weeks. I don't consider that unresponsive. There's been other similar examples posted on Bitog. And that filter was cut open and dissected prior to sending in. I guess the biggest difference I see is Puro not having a representative posting on Bitog.
Martin, I don't think we need more random filter shots. I believe the original statement has been clarified sufficiently. The random wanderings I've seen in these threads has brought some thread topic to mind, but not enough to start one.
Originally Posted By: sayjac
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...... they seem to be MUCH more responsive to their customers than Purolator/Bosch!....
OT How so? Another member here recently discovered media breach on a PL14610 he had cut the filter open and posted pics here. He contacted Purolator, sent the filter in on their dime, Purolator examined the filter, sent him a complete report and two new P1's in return. Obviously they couldn't test the filter function, but as there was no noted engine performance difference, really didn't matter. He contacted Purolator by e mail, they quickly responded and sent him a return kit for the filter. I suppose the worst that could be said, based on the thread post timing is that from the time he contacted them, was sent the return kit, to getting the detailed report took about 6 weeks. I don't consider that unresponsive. There's been other similar examples posted on Bitog. And that filter was cut open and dissected prior to sending in. I guess the biggest difference I see is Puro not having a representative posting on Bitog.
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